Rogue/Ninja Discussion

[Sigmakan]

Hide combo will work on Boss in coil, because you wonn't be counted in battle till you touch the mob or get hit by AOE

so Before pull use hide, let tank pull, go in front, Sneak attack

Doesnt work like that. Against bosses, as soon as the boss is engaged your hide is removed. At least thats what happened when I fought Garuda-X

Edit: oops beaten

[Ratatapa]

Well then you didnt do it right! You also cant do any other skills during ninjutsu cast.

Ok but If I didn't do it right why did the Ninjutsu icon changed to Katon?

[Niiro]

You probably double tapped or something.

Ninjutsu can be weird with the animation delay on Mudras, the ninjutsu doesn't change to the corresponding spell until the mudra animation is complete, and in the time it takes the animation to happen you could have used another mudra.

ie. While trying to use Raiton I've done Ten->Chi->Ninjutsu but I hit ninjutsu before the Chi animation was totally done and the Fuma Shuriken animation began to happen, then cancelled itself as the Chi animation finished, then I could Raiton.

[Sigmakan]

Ok but If I didn't do it right why did the Ninjutsu icon changed to Katon?

Did you cast it when it was the Katon icon? Sometimes its laggy and you think you hit, then go do another skill before realizing that it didnt actually go off, and by then its now a bunny

[Deadgye]

And here I was hoping that I could just do a random mudra in between every single gcd just to be cool. So if you accidentally hit your mudras while ninjutsu still isn't up you're going to get thumpity'd no matter what unless you do nothing until it's up?

[Sigmakan]

And here I was hoping that I could just do a random mudra in between every single gcd just to be cool. So if you accidentally hit your mudras while ninjutsu still isn't up you're going to get thumpity'd no matter what unless you do nothing until it's up?

Mudras and Ninjutsu share the same recast

[Deadgye]

Ah, good. I won't have to worry about that then. I wish I could get more time to level. Between work and raiding I'm barely 20 after 2 days.

[Sigmakan]

Biggest complaint for Ninja at the moment: all the debuff/DoT icons look the same.

[Voyage1970]

I think the discrepancy with Hide working or not working on bosses is people comparing it to level 50+ bosses as opposed to regular leveling dungeon bosses. The "Doesn't work on enemies 10 levels above you" tooltip line makes me think that the ?? Level enemies from most endgame boss areas means they are beyond the scope of Hide working. Has there been an occurrence of Hide not working on regular dungeon bosses like in Darkhold or Cutter's Cry?

[Sigmakan]

I believe it works in dungeons. But I honestly didnt use it that much /badninja

[Deadgye]

If you don't attack mobs/bosses in dungeons you don't go on their hate list. When you're in a raid and anyone aggros the boss everyone goes into battle. This is how it's always been, hasn't it?

[Ayer]

If you don't attack mobs/bosses in dungeons you don't go on their hate list. When you're in a raid and anyone aggros the boss everyone goes into battle. This is how it's always been, hasn't it?

First Coil wasn't like that, but Second, and Final are. They talked about it when they were going to make stoneskin AoE out of combat, and how they thought it would be broken in First Coil, since a healer wouldn't necessarily be aggroed immediately.

[Arthars]

Biggest complaint for Ninja at the moment: all the debuff/DoT icons look the same.

having a blast with nin now and getting used to it

but this is one fucking thing i cant seem to get use to-_-

they need to look more obvious and different >.>

i spend alot of time staring which debuff is which on turn 11........

[Sigmakan]

For reference on how similar they are:


Mutilation isnt -too- bad, its the other two I mix up a lot

[Crescendo]

I think the discrepancy with Hide working or not working on bosses is people comparing it to level 50+ bosses as opposed to regular leveling dungeon bosses. The "Doesn't work on enemies 10 levels above you" tooltip line makes me think that the ?? Level enemies from most endgame boss areas means they are beyond the scope of Hide working. Has there been an occurrence of Hide not working on regular dungeon bosses like in Darkhold or Cutter's Cry?

I can confirm that my Hide got immediately removed the moment when the Tank engaged the final boss of Halatali Normal (Tangeta). I remember it pretty specifically since it was my first dungeon run on ROG, and because every trash pack he pulled I would always Hide and engage with Sneak Attack and it worked fine. But for the Boss it never worked.

I was even standing very far, like on the otherside of the Arena and was Hiding way before engaging. That boss is also listed as being lv.20, and I was lv.23 sync.

So.... yea....

[Yukari]

First Coil wasn't like that, but Second, and Final are. They talked about it when they were going to make stoneskin AoE out of combat, and how they thought it would be broken in First Coil, since a healer wouldn't necessarily be aggroed immediately.

I don't know why that would be relevant, since once you AOEskin the group, you just casted a buff on a member who is in combat, thus now you are on the monster's hate list.

[Niiro]

But you got to cast one AoE stoneskin during combat and it only required you to do the fight with 7 people for however long was necessary.

see: retarded excuse

Even more retarded now that bosses auto-aggro the whole party, so it's not even a potential issue any more.

[Niiro]

It's soooo hard trying to condition myself to just trust the game when it comes to executing Mudras, I'm so used to having to double check executing actions but with them you can't because the recasts are so short that pressing it twice is just gonna fuck you.

I find it helps to just press the buttons I know are the correct sequence and not even look at the icons and the recast animation, cause it just fills me with doubt that they're not gonna go thru properly (even tho they are).

[Sho]

Kinda glad I'm slowish on the mashing. Playing WAR helped me really slow down instead of facerolling the keys. I've only messed up and gotten Lagomorph once.

[SamanosukeShiva]

did few hours in t11 as NIN, getting a hang of it, i109 with i110 weapon doing 420+ dps avg