Rogue/Ninja Discussion

**samalis** · 2014-10-31 17:29

I spent like 15 leves and got 10 daggers >_> 3 from 1 leve. Price have been dropping like mad, only sold one for 300k before they dropped to now 150k.

**Croy** · 2014-10-31 17:59

Originally Posted by samalis

I spent like 15 leves and got 10 daggers >_> 3 from 1 leve. Price have been dropping like mad, only sold one for 300k before they dropped to now 150k.

Yeah similar experience last night, got 7 of them from .... 5 leves >.>. There was always one leve at either Ul'Dah or Mor Dhona that had it available including the triple turn in at Ul'Dah where I got 3 from one leve.

**Alistaire** · 2014-11-01 14:27

So for a quick way to remember the order for 3-mudra combos, as long as you put the 3 in order you get em, cycle through them going right.

1 2 3 = suiton, this starts on the water-colored icon for the water effect
2 3 1 = huton, starting icon isn't wind-colored but close enough
3 1 2 = doton, started on the earth icon for the earth effect

So the earth and water start on the right color and wind you just remember out of process of elimination.

**Loziel** · 2014-11-01 18:08

So I just came up against a 50 nin on frontlines who had the rogue AF exactly like the other guild members. Anyone know where to get this or what it's called?

**Gokulo** · 2014-11-01 18:18

It's Arachne's set of Scouting. Craftable and probably will cost you a shitton of money right now Loz

**Niiro** · 2014-11-01 18:23

Originally Posted by Alistaire

So for a quick way to remember the order for 3-mudra combos, as long as you put the 3 in order you get em, cycle through them going right.

1 2 3 = suiton, this starts on the water-colored icon for the water effect
2 3 1 = huton, starting icon isn't wind-colored but close enough
3 1 2 = doton, started on the earth icon for the earth effect

So the earth and water start on the right color and wind you just remember out of process of elimination.

123-> Suiton
321-> Huton

Is a bit simpler and more elegant I think, considering those are your primary abilities you'll always be using.

Also, goddamn they really need to do something about the status effect icons, different colors at the very least.

**Alistaire** · 2014-11-01 22:24

Originally Posted by Niiro

123-> Suiton
321-> Huton

Is a bit simpler and more elegant I think, considering those are your primary abilities you'll always be using.

Also, goddamn they really need to do something about the status effect icons, different colors at the very least.

idk, my way covers all 3 with the same logic. to each their own of course, not gonna say mine's the best but it's one way to remember it.

Edit: and yeah, doton's not a regular skill in all situations, just think if you use a mnemonic that includes it you won't scratch your head about it when you need it.

**Eanae** · 2014-11-01 22:43

http://puu.sh/czKdI/4d6c6ee9cc.png

The damage ninja does while I fuck up my rotation 2424243 times per fight is insane, though my parses are probably way lower than people doing it right. I really wouldn't be surprised if something gets a nerf.

**Niiro** · 2014-11-02 00:17

Something that's going to annoy me forever: NIN's using Wasp against targets that can't be stunned.

It's not like the HP drain from Mug-Viper is worth a shit, but still, weak HP drain is better than a stun that literally does nothing.

Even worse: using it on stuff that can't be stunned but can be silenced -_-

**Obsidian** · 2014-11-02 01:23

Originally Posted by Eanae

http://puu.sh/czKdI/4d6c6ee9cc.png

The damage ninja does while I fuck up my rotation 2424243 times per fight is insane, though my parses are probably way lower than people doing it right. I really wouldn't be surprised if something gets a nerf.

There's no way it won't be. It's got the potency of DRG with the attack speed of MNK, and none of the positional bullshit of either. And it benefits from Requiem.

They're either going to have to nerf some of the potencies or buff MNK and DRG, again.

**Arthars** · 2014-11-02 04:01

dancing edge is prolly bugged cos it doesnt require flank atm

also, NIN can fuck up so easily so i dont see a big nerf coming

EVERYONE SURELY have 1 rabbit ninjitsu in every long fight happening hahaha

but with all the fuck ups, NIN is still that high is mindblowing

**kisada** · 2014-11-02 09:19

Originally Posted by Arthars

dancing edge is prolly bugged cos it doesnt require flank atm

also, NIN can fuck up so easily so i dont see a big nerf coming

EVERYONE SURELY have 1 rabbit ninjitsu in every long fight happening hahaha

but with all the fuck ups, NIN is still that high is mindblowing

^

super high skill cap job. do great with a great player at the controls, and a lot less if you're even a little bit off. don't see why they would nerf that.

**Niiro** · 2014-11-02 09:34

Other melee need a buff, as long as they continue to be a liability compared to ranged DPS their damage needs to be better.

**Meian** · 2014-11-02 10:59

In regards to 2.3 (soldiery/second coil), would ninjas use what was considered bis left side for monks and right side for brd?

**Cham** · 2014-11-02 11:05

Dancing Edge doesn't seem like a bug so much as a screw up on the localisation end. The japanese skill description doesn't have any mention of any positional requirements.

Spoiler: show

**Arthars** · 2014-11-02 11:10

nice if true :D :D lemme flip to JP client and check

**Alistaire** · 2014-11-02 13:22

Originally Posted by Cham

Dancing Edge doesn't seem like a bug so much as a screw up on the localisation end. The japanese skill description doesn't have any mention of any positional requirements.

Spoiler: show

Edit: so what are people disputing, the debuff? or does it get the same potency for the hit itself regardless of flank?

**Seravi Edalborez** · 2014-11-02 13:25

Only the EN client makes any reference to positioning in any way. JP/FR/DE do not make any mention of it.

Gets full potency and debuff at any position, contrary to anything the EN tooltip says.

**Obsidian** · 2014-11-02 14:16

Originally Posted by kisada

^

super high skill cap job. do great with a great player at the controls, and a lot less if you're even a little bit off. don't see why they would nerf that.

Because MNK is the same way but handcuffed by positional requirements and the duration of Greased Lightning, and DRG can't really compete with either of them.

**SamanosukeShiva** · 2014-11-02 14:25

we havent seen enough parses to see that nin dps > mnk, the only advantage nin has so far is they can get somewhat decent parse easier than mnk. show me 500++ dps nin on a progression fight, heck or even t6-9, then we talk.

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