11/09/14 Update Discussion/Findings

[Bukadan]

so like, do you think you can have an nq and an hq of that earring? lol (pet pdt with a good amount of def and vit in a spot where itd be worth it in, think impregnable earring)

[vm0d]

Thorfinn Shield +1
DEF:14 STR+3 Attack+19
"Double Attack"+1%
99 Shield
WAR, WHM, RDM, THF, PLD, BST, SAM

finally, a shield to go with sindri

[vm0d]

It may not be the costume you want, but it's the warp we all need.

Mandra. Suit +1 Cannot equip leggear
DEF:2
Enchantment: "Teleport"
(Yoran-Oran's Manor)
1 Body
All

dreams can come true

Everyone underestimates the power of MNK/WHM in campaign. The balancing that would need to be done is only known by Tanaka himself so they took a big chance on this piece.

lol so much power

[NynJa]

so like, do you think you can have an nq and an hq of that earring? lol (pet pdt with a good amount of def and vit in a spot where itd be worth it in, think impregnable earring)

I know to upgrade to +1, it seemed you had to trade up your NQ. So now it matters how you get the NQ. If its a drop, I dont see why not.

[Sechs]

I see a new Resolution/Lunge head for RUN, and a new debuff neck for BRD. (small upgrade but still, welcome one)
Well... it's an upgrade only with the unity concord bonus, which kinda binds you to stay within that certain Unity.

Which is what sucks of this system. Maybe you want to be in Unity X to receive this bonus for BRD, but then need to be in Unity Y to receive that other bonus for feet on another job, and so on.
Lame, lame, lame, lame thing.
Fuck unity concord, again =/


Unless, but I doubt it, specific unities are needed only to OBTAIN the item, but then the bonus works on any Unity as long as you have the right (max) rank. If this is how things are it would be acceptable I guess but I'm skeptic about SE being that nice to us.

[Spicyryan]

Stumbled on these just now since I am the worst about going to sleep.

Wisent Kecks
DEF:114 HP+47 STR+29 VIT+16 AGI+20
INT+30 MND+17 CHR+11 Evasion+38
Magic Evasion+69
"Magic Def. Bonus"+5 Haste+6%
Pet: Accuracy+20 Attack+10
Ranged Accuracy+20
Ranged Attack+10 Evasion+20
Haste+3%
99 Legs
BST

I am waiting for the RNG jug pet.

You know, wearing the vermillion cloak of course.

Edit:
Durgai Leggings
DEF:70 HP+13 STR+12 DEX+24
VIT+12 AGI+37 MND+12 CHR+30
Accuracy+15 Evasion+72
Magic Evasion+69
"Magic Def. Bonus"+5 Haste+4%
Enmity-5
Pet: Accuracy+15 Enmity+5
99 Feet
MNK, THF, BST, NIN, PUP, DNC, RUN
2015, year of the pet gear. Calling it now.

EDIT#2 the sleep at work you don't need it, edition:
Regal Pumps
DEF:65 HP+13 MP+34 STR+10 DEX+11
VIT+10 AGI+33 INT+17 MND+19 CHR+34
Evasion+55 Magic Evasion+107
"Magic Def. Bonus"+5
Healing magic skill+10
Enhancing magic skill+10
Haste+3%
"Fast Cast"+3%
Unity Ranking: "Fast Cast"+1-3%
99 Feet
WHM, BLM, SMN, PUP, SCH, GEO

Regal Pumps +1
DEF:66 HP+13 MP+39 STR+10 DEX+11
VIT+10 AGI+33 INT+17 MND+19 CHR+34
Evasion+55 Magic Evasion+107
"Magic Def. Bonus"+5
Healing magic skill+11
Enhancing magic skill+11
Haste+3%
"Fast Cast"+4%
Unity Ranking: "Fast Cast"+1-3%
99 Feet
WHM, BLM, SMN, PUP, SCH, GEO

Looks like, what? Worst case scenario +1 fast cast for a last place unity? 5% seems pretty nice.

[Bukadan]

if they gave us enough inventory to do it, it would be interesting to see level capped events, imo.

[Malithar]

Well... it's an upgrade only with the unity concord bonus, which kinda binds you to stay within that certain Unity.

Which is what sucks of this system. Maybe you want to be in Unity X to receive this bonus for BRD, but then need to be in Unity Y to receive that other bonus for feet on another job, and so on.
Lame, lame, lame, lame thing.
Fuck unity concord, again =/


Unless, but I doubt it, specific unities are needed only to OBTAIN the item, but then the bonus works on any Unity as long as you have the right (max) rank. If this is how things are it would be acceptable I guess but I'm skeptic about SE being that nice to us.

Not enough info to say for sure yet, but someone with Naja and Aldo both had the same items available. It's possible more open up if you're ranked higher or something, but I'd think that would of been mentioned in the notes. It sounds like outside of needing the boost to accolades (no info on how big the boost even is) there's no reason to not be in the highest Unity, maxing out your boosts and increasing your drops. Still to be seen if that blurb about increasing drops is quantity, getting +1s, augs on the items, etc.

[Bukadan]

how does everyone feel about the unity system and its potential in general?

[vm0d]

I am waiting for the RNG jug pet.

You know, wearing the vermillion cloak of course.

also these sweet rng pants:

Augury Cuisses +1 DEF:124 HP+50 STR+30 VIT+17 AGI+17
INT+33 MND+20 CHR+16
Attack+16 "Magic Atk. Bonus"+16
Evasion+27 Magic Evasion+80
"Magic Def. Bonus"+4 Haste+6%
"Conserve MP"+7
Unity Ranking: "Double Attack"+1-3%
99 Legs
WAR, RDM, PLD, DRK, BST, RNG, SAM, DRG, BLU, RUN

[Spicyryan]

how does everyone feel about the unity system and its potential in general?

I don't see a reason to compete personally because I don't want to sit there fighting with the rest of the server (because people are idiots) to make my pants have 3% DA instead of 1%


Augury Cuisses
DEF:123 HP+50 STR+30 VIT+17 AGI+17
INT+33 MND+20 CHR+16
Attack+15 "Magic Atk. Bonus"+15
Evasion+27 Magic Evasion+80
"Magic Def. Bonus"+4 Haste+6%
"Conserve MP"+6
Unity Ranking: "Double Attack"+1-3%
99 Legs
WAR, RDM, PLD, DRK, BST, RNG, SAM, DRG, BLU, RUN

Augury Cuisses +1
DEF:124 HP+50 STR+30 VIT+17 AGI+17
INT+33 MND+20 CHR+16
Attack+16 "Magic Atk. Bonus"+16
Evasion+27 Magic Evasion+80
"Magic Def. Bonus"+4 Haste+6%
"Conserve MP"+7
Unity Ranking: "Double Attack"+1-3%
99 Legs
WAR, RDM, PLD, DRK, BST, RNG, SAM, DRG, BLU, RUN

Clearly SE wants us to fight with each other instead of fight with them about changing things

[Malithar]

how does everyone feel about the unity system and its potential in general?

I don't think anyone saw enough of it to say for sure. Gear seems to be a mix of side grades, wtf, and a couple of stand out nice things, from what I saw. Finding myself playing mostly in JP time, I'm disappointed it wasn't turned into more of a Reive like setup where you show up to a Wanted fight, contribute, and get stuffs. It requires parties, and follows in Delve/Incursions footsteps of anyone past 6 increasing the mobs HP. Still more to be seen for sure, but that's my initial thoughts.

[kjLotus]

how does everyone feel about the unity system and its potential in general?

so far I think it's a cool idea, good way to get to know people outside your LS if you're like me and never do any shout groups. and the competition aspect sounds fun

also wahcandalo best girl

[Spicyryan]

also these sweet rng pants:

Augury Cuisses +1 DEF:124 HP+50 STR+30 VIT+17 AGI+17
INT+33 MND+20 CHR+16
Attack+16 "Magic Atk. Bonus"+16
Evasion+27 Magic Evasion+80
"Magic Def. Bonus"+4 Haste+6%
"Conserve MP"+7
Unity Ranking: "Double Attack"+1-3%
99 Legs
WAR, RDM, PLD, DRK, BST, RNG, SAM, DRG, BLU, RUN

Ohhh, by a minute too.

If only I didn't post the NQ too.

Macabre Gaunt.
DEF:101 HP+29 STR+10 DEX+29 VIT+33
INT+8 MND+25 CHR+19
Evasion+22 Magic Evasion+26
Haste+4% Enmity+6
"Magic Def. Bonus"+1
"Cure" potency +10%
Physical damage taken -3%
Unity Ranking: HP+20-60
99 Hands
WAR, PLD, DRK, BST, SAM, NIN

Macabre Gaunt. +1 DEF:102 HP+29 STR+10 DEX+29 VIT+33
INT+8 MND+25 CHR+19
Evasion+22 Magic Evasion+26
Haste+4% Enmity+7
"Magic Def. Bonus"+1
"Cure" potency +11%
Physical damage taken -4%
Unity Ranking: HP+20-60
99 Hands
WAR, PLD, DRK, BST, SAM, NIN

BST/WHM.

SE won't stop until they make all those BST on the official forums happy.

Only problem is RNG can't wear these with it's new cloak. Clearly a ploy to keep balance in the backline world.

Shigure Tekko
DEF:88 HP+25 STR+10 DEX+34 VIT+28
AGI+6 INT+10 MND+28 CHR+16
Evasion+22 Magic Evasion+26
"Magic Def. Bonus"+1 Haste+5%
Unity Ranking: "Subtle Blow"+1-7
Rainy weather: Accuracy+25 Attack+25
99 Hands
MNK, SAM, NIN

Why do they do these things? At least if it was fire weather people could take a SCH since it be casting firestorm..

Shigure Tekko +1
DEF:89 HP+25 STR+10 DEX+34 VIT+28
AGI+6 INT+10 MND+28 CHR+16
Evasion+22 Magic Evasion+26
"Magic Def. Bonus"+1 Haste+5%
Unity Ranking: "Subtle Blow"+1-7
Rainy weather: Accuracy+30 Attack+30
99 Hands
MNK, SAM, NIN

[Sechs]

Not enough info to say for sure yet, but someone with Naja and Aldo both had the same items available. It's possible more open up if you're ranked higher or something, but I'd think that would of been mentioned in the notes. It sounds like outside of needing the boost to accolades (no info on how big the boost even is) there's no reason to not be in the highest Unity, maxing out your boosts and increasing your drops. Still to be seen if that blurb about increasing drops is quantity, getting +1s, augs on the items, etc.

At this point I see two scenarios:

1) Item-wise and bonus-wise all Unities are the same, what changes is minor thing (specific RoEs, cosmetic stuff?)
2) There's a pool of common items and then a pool of specific items. And here we split this scenario in two as I said previously: one where a specific unity is only needed to get the item, one where specific unity is also needed to activate the bonus on the specific items.

If it's 1) it's all good I guess, and way less of a problem than we previously thought (just pick the highest rank one and stay there). If it's 2) it kinda depends on the further split. Scenario A is okayish, Scenario B is kinda lame.



@Spicyryan
Those boots are the ones we saw in the JP article published last week. They look nice. If anything it's an enha skill alternative to Rubeus Boots (good luck getting them today if you don't have 'em already), and for some jobs it's a nice FC option too, depending on unity rank.


@Budakan
I feel disheartened and skeptic about a system that seems unnecessarily convoluted and like a cheap, low-budget attempt at rehashing content to keep players busy for a long time with the least effort on their side.
Basically a post-abyssea v2 era of FFXI. I don't miss that era at all, I loved the "feeling" of a coordinated, coherent, well planned expansion that SoA gave, at least at first. This gives me the feeling of something to buy time (A LOT of time even) as they try to make up their minds on what to do for the future of FFXI. Basically not knowing where the fuck the game will go, which is exactely what I felt in that era I described.
Maybe this is what gives me bad vibes and makes me see the glass half-emtpy. Aside from this the Unity Concord system in itself without all these stupid implications I mentioned, might be much better than we previously thought.
Personally I'm still dreaming for moderately challenging, deep, articulated content that focuses on organized groups instead of this low-budget stuff aimed at small groups of dualboxing players playing in 5men parties, but I guess it's unrealistic at this point to expect anything else. Sucks cause I loved the "rebirth" of Linkshells that the launch of SoA brought on =/ But I know a lot of people (majority of BG?) feels the opposite way.

[vm0d]

Ohhh, by a minute too.

If only I didn't post the NQ too.

Macabre Gaunt.
DEF:101 HP+29 STR+10 DEX+29 VIT+33
INT+8 MND+25 CHR+19
Evasion+22 Magic Evasion+26
Haste+4% Enmity+6
"Magic Def. Bonus"+1
"Cure" potency +10%
Physical damage taken -3%
Unity Ranking: HP+20-60
99 Hands
WAR, PLD, DRK, BST, SAM, NIN

Macabre Gaunt. +1 DEF:102 HP+29 STR+10 DEX+29 VIT+33
INT+8 MND+25 CHR+19
Evasion+22 Magic Evasion+26
Haste+4% Enmity+7
"Magic Def. Bonus"+1
"Cure" potency +11%
Physical damage taken -4%
Unity Ranking: HP+20-60
99 Hands
WAR, PLD, DRK, BST, SAM, NIN

BST/WHM.

SE won't stop until they make all those BST on the official forums happy.

Only problem is RNG can't wear these with it's new cloak. Clearly a ploy to keep balance in the backline world.

pretty rude. obv the bst/whm getting inv over my rng/whm cuz it gets cure pot gear. qq

[Bukadan]

it seems like you can do all the (seemingly random?) RoE's for the unity to get accolades which is what probably gives points to the unity. they mentioned unities in lower standing will have its advantages (that high placed ones dont?), though. i mean theyre the best way to get accolades based on what i saw so basically you would empty the union RoE log, go kill wanted mobs, upgrade them, help union out. i mean depending on how big the system gets and how they deal with the potential "bandwagon unity" issue, it could actually work out they way theyre pitching it to us

[Sechs]

Maybe low rank unities give a bonus % to the accolades you get from those shared RoEs?

[vm0d]

Regal Pumps +1
DEF:66 HP+13 MP+39 STR+10 DEX+11
VIT+10 AGI+33 INT+17 MND+19 CHR+34
Evasion+55 Magic Evasion+107
"Magic Def. Bonus"+5
Healing magic skill+11
Enhancing magic skill+11
Haste+3%
"Fast Cast"+4%
Unity Ranking: "Fast Cast"+1-3%
99 Feet
WHM, BLM, SMN, PUP, SCH, GEO

hey now, look at you finding real gear. lol

[Kincard]

I think the Rainy Weather things are only because they were making an HQ version of those tekko from Sea Horror or whatever.