Thread: Rogue/Ninja 3.0 Discussion    

Originally Posted by TheDirtyHobo

but seeing our mnk and blm regularly getting around 1300 and hearing stories of SMN breaking 1500 make me sad

Faust is not a fight to gauge your damage on, MNK and SMN are massively inflated from the presence of the adds.

Look at just the damage Faust is taking and you'll get a much better idea.

That's looking at oppressor damage until the first jump, not Faust.

Idk what your SMN is smoking then, unless you're just looking at their peak DPS from their opener or something.

Originally Posted by Niiro

Idk what your SMN is smoking then, unless you're just looking at their peak DPS from their opener or something.

It's not our SMN, we don't have one. It's our BLM bitching about how great SMN is and how terrible BLM is now, talking about parses he sees on Reddit of SMN maintaining 1500 for 5+ minute parses. I don't care enough to look it up myself, and I know people like to fix up their parses for unrealistic conditions for e-peen, so I take it with a pretty big grain of salt. Hence the "hear stories" part.

Ain't no SMN doing 1500 DPS on a single target no where, sounds like he's just whining.

Smn is the lowest non bard/mch single target dps.

Originally Posted by SamanosukeShiva

For Goad, I guess you could argue BRD is also a good target, but fuck that noise, I will never Goad a BRD, unless he just died. If I Goad a BRD, he/she will have no need to paeon, which I NEED.

BRD really shouldn't need Goad now, their TP consumption is a lot lower with Iron Jaws and cast times limiting their WS frequency a bit.

Originally Posted by SamanosukeShiva

only time MNK can beat NIN easily is on a fight with very little downtime/no target switching like in A4, maybe A3.

I'm curious as to why you think target switching negatively impacts MNK more than NIN, because every logical thought in my head tells me that is wrong. MNK always takes, at worst, 4 GCDs to get all their dots and debuffs back up on whatever you're switching to, NIN takes 4 at best, 9 at worst (if AC needs to be reapplied before you can spare a DE). MNK also has an instant input gap closer with very small animation lock and 30s cooldown compared to NIN's manual select on a 60 second cooldown.

My experience parsing against our static MNK whom I was always neck-and-neck with until HW, NIN is about 5-10% behind on everything but Bismarck and Ravana.

And what kind of numbers are you pulling, then? Because either you've had some shit MNKs or there's some secret technique I'm missing to pull 100+ extra DPS out of the air. Highest I've managed on F4 was 1050 without getting quarantined, though I maybe could've pushed to 1100 if I had managed TP better, but our MNK has skirted on 1200 when he doesn't get quarantined.

Originally Posted by Niiro

BRD really shouldn't need Goad now, their TP consumption is a lot lower with Iron Jaws and cast times limiting their WS frequency a bit.

Pretty much this. The only time BRD should be running TP dead now is if they can literally turret without any significant movement for like a solid 7+ mins or something ridiculous which just doesn't happen. For all the negatives surrounding WM, it did at least basically eliminate any TP issues outside of AoE.

1. Fuma is for those with high latency. If using Raiton clips your GCD too much, use Fuma BUT only when either Dancing Edge or Storms Eye is up.

2. Since I have really low latency, I shoved the new stuff into my old rotation:

Pre-pull Huton, at ~13 secs Shadewalker on tank, pull at 15 secs

Spinning Edge > B4B+IR > Gut Slash > Dex pot > Dancing Edge > Suiton > Spinning Edge > Trick Attack + Shadow Fang (delayed slightly for debuff to be up) > Kassatsu + Mutilate > Raiton + Spinning > Dream + Jugulate > Gut Slash > Mug + Duality > Aeolian Edge.

I make sure Mutilate ticks fully or it's not a DPS increase. Shadow Fang needs to be up for at least 4 ticks to even out with Aeolian, so don't re-apply either SF or Mutilate if boss will disappear within 9 secs or less. 12 secs is probably better, cause you can fit at least 2 more Aeolians.

3. Depends really. I usually always use it on my DPS counter part as soon as they reach about ~700 TP, that way I can maximize the amounts of time I use it. However, if someone dies before that or my next use, if they use TP, then I'll give them Goad.

4. Using Doton is for packs of mobs. If there's two or more mobs, and they'll last more than 18 secs, then it's best to set up Doton because it needs to tick at least 6 times before it equals the potency of Katon.

Gust slash, not Gut. Fuma is almost always better than Raiton (Hopefully will change in 3.1) unless you're on JP delays or you just live in Toronto. Don't double up that many oGCDs.

Also Mutilate is a DPS gain at 5-6 tics, not the full duration, if it had to be the full duration it would be a pretty garbage skill.