Thread: Rogue/Ninja 3.0 Discussion    

Originally Posted by Niiro

If there's a WAR he's opening with Storm's Eye regardless (people still don't get that Block is only for when you know there's no chance of Maim/Eye falling, it's not the default WAR combo by any means).

NINs doesn't help WAR's DPS, they do Eye anyway, WAR helps the NIN.

Hmm, as a WAR I always open with Block so I don't lose hate. I'll have to try opening with Eye more, but DPS blowing all their cooldowns (as they should) on their openers makes me question how Eye could possibly generate enough hate.

Are these WARs you're referring to pulling with anything (Overpower/Tomahawk), or just starting with Heavy Swing as soon as they can reach the mob?

I mean, I guess if I trusted the NIN to Shadewalker, opening with Eye is fine. I keep forgetting that ability exists.

I always open with SE combo regardless of unchained or not. Haven't lost hate to anyone yet. Str war with melded accessories though. I'm sure that helps a lot.

I love nin, lol.

My Skill Speed on NIN today just 595, and I was checking out my oGCD, seems it's already at 2.04 with Huton up. I assume 600 Skill Speed = 2 sec oGCD with Huton? Is there a point to going over that or would just start to hurt more than help due to over use of TP?

Originally Posted by Classikmage

My Skill Speed on NIN today just 595, and I was checking out my oGCD, seems it's already at 2.04 with Huton up. I assume 600 Skill Speed = 2 sec oGCD with Huton? Is there a point to going over that or would just start to hurt more than help due to over use of TP?

I think it's more like 650~670 for 2 seconds. The debate in the past had always been that reaching 2 second oGCD would be bad after about 4 minutes going extra HAM, but I don't see a way that the oGCD won't naturally go even lower than 2 seconds with Huton up soon.

Originally Posted by Sho

I think it's more like 650~670 for 2 seconds. The debate in the past had always been that reaching 2 second oGCD would be bad after about 4 minutes going extra HAM, but I don't see a way that the oGCD won't naturally go even lower than 2 seconds with Huton up soon.

So, .04 GCD takes 50-70 Skill Speed? o.O

Originally Posted by Niiro

oGCD means off-GCD guys.

Dur... W/E.... 2.04 GCD....... SORRY lol. Happy?

Originally Posted by Sho

I think it's more like 650~670 for 2 seconds. The debate in the past had always been that reaching 2 second oGCD would be bad after about 4 minutes going extra HAM, but I don't see a way that the oGCD won't naturally go even lower than 2 seconds with Huton up soon.

Also, I think you underestimate just how much Skill Speed is on the new HW gear. Just screwing around, and equipping all the i210 gear that has Skill Speed on it, according to Ariyala you can get over 1000~ Skill Speed. At 595 my GCD is already at 2.04, remember.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/R400

Granted, it is a pretty crappy selection of off-stats as your accuracy is obviously WAAAAAAY more than need and you Crit and Determination are really low, but just this is just messing around just see'ing how high it could techinically go.

If I had to go for a end all set, (assuming this is enough accuracy for A4S, but I think I heard someone mention only needing around 590~600~ somewhere), I think this might be pretty close to what I would go for as far as i210 options. Please understand though, that this is just a rough draft, and completely susceptible to change at any time.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/R409

Originally Posted by Classikmage

Also, I think you underestimate just how much Skill Speed is on the new HW gear. Just screwing around, and equipping all the i210 gear that has Skill Speed on it, according to Ariyala you can get over 1000~ Skill Speed. At 595 my GCD is already at 2.04, remember.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/R400

Granted, it is a pretty crappy selection of off-stats as your accuracy is obviously WAAAAAAY more than need and you Crit and Determination are really low, but just this is just messing around just see'ing how high it could techinically go.

Oh I know I'm underestimating it, but it is scaling decently, it seems. 1k Skill Speed sounds pretty silly, though lol.

I'm @682 Skill Speed and my GCD is @2.02 now with Huton, if it matters. @689~709 SkS brings the number down to 2.01. @723 SkS, the GCD is 2.00.

Originally Posted by Sho

Oh I know I'm underestimating it, but it is scaling decently, it seems. 1k Skill Speed sounds pretty silly, though lol.

I'm @682 Skill Speed and my GCD is @2.02 now with Huton, if it matters. @689~709 SkS brings the number down to 2.01. @723 SkS, the GCD is 2.00.

Considering it takes over 100 Skill Speed to go from 2.04 to 2.00, which I doubt is very noticeable reduction in itself, I think around 600-650 Skill Speed it plenty for NIN, I mean I know Skill Speed affects DoT damage now. But so does Determination and Crit. Yes, Determination had it's effect on auto-attacks reduced, but it's still the same for every other aspect of damage. And is still a usable stat.

Originally Posted by Classikmage

Considering it takes over 100 Skill Speed to go from 2.04 to 2.00, which I doubt is very noticeable reduction in itself, I think around 600-650 Skill Speed it plenty for NIN, I mean I know Skill Speed affects DoT damage now. But so does Determination and Crit. Yes, Determination had it's effect on auto-attacks reduced, but it's still the same for every other aspect of damage. And is still a usable stat.

Yeah I agree. In fact, you start to lose out on more Crit & Determination as you go beyond 690 if you frontload SkS (Acc increases exponentially with more SkS however). At least with the current gear.

What I was saying originally, is that it would seem that SkS will naturally go over the 2.0 threshold (approx. 710~722) even with balanced gear as time goes on. I'm actually wondering if this was by design for 3.X series, but we will see with patch 3.1 and on, I guess.