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  1. #11201
    An exploitable mess of a card game
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    I sword + shield for cleaves. 21 PDT > 20 PDT and you get the benefit of a sword for when you want to melee individual mobs.

  2. #11202

    Fool you know that's not a good enough reason if you tie mainhand to physical spells in your SC

  3. #11203
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    The tradition was Pre-Mega SC! The legend of PDT sword must go on~

    Though the sad part is that having both in your inventory will fuck up any attempts to use that. Blasted SE and their one-name-fits-all theory.

  4. #11204
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    Ok so in other words a BLU who spams CDC best offhand weapon is str sword? I figured occ attack 2-4 times would rape combined with chant (faster tp).

  5. #11205
    Impossiblu
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    It's actually slightly slower TP overall, with a decrease in DoT, WS, and Spell damage.

  6. #11206
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prothescar View Post
    It's actually slightly slower TP overall, with a decrease in DoT, WS, and Spell damage.
    Not arguing with you just trying to find out but why is it slower tp? and with chant its a 60% dex mod so it wouldent really effect the damage that much would it?

  7. #11207
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    Unfavourable effect, low base damage and higher delay are three reasons I can think of offhand.

  8. #11208
    CoP Dynamis
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    For Neo-Nyzul Isle, would you do BLU/WAR with following spells:

    Dream Flower(3)
    MP Drainkiss(4)
    Magic Fruit(3)
    Occultation(3)
    Amorphic Spikes(4)

    Triple Attack(5+7)
    Heavy Strike(2), Empty Thrash(3),
    Demoralizing Roar(4), Acrid Stream(3)

    Store TP I(5)
    Sudden Lunge(4), Fantod(1)

    Dual Wield III (26)
    Quad Animating Delta Blazing Mortal Barbed

    Or BLU/DNC with following:

    Dream Flower(3)
    Delta Thrust(2)
    MP Drainkiss(4)
    Magic Fruit(3)
    Quadrastrike(5)
    Amorphic Spikes(4)
    Occultation(3)

    Auto-Refresh(8)
    Winds of Promy(4), Actinic burst(4)

    Triple Attack(5+7)
    Heavy Strike(2), Empty Thrash(3),
    Demoralizing Roar(4), Acrid Stream(3)

    Store TP I(5)
    Sudden Lunge(4), Fantod(1),

    Conserve MP(4)
    Chaotic Eye(2), Zephyr Mantle(2)

    Attack Bonus(6)
    Battle Dance(3), Uppercut(3)

    I know many people prefer /war, but maintaining DW3 eats up alot of my spell points, on the other hand /dnc I lose DA+10 and Berserk. Care sharing your spell set or suggesting adjustments to the above?

  9. #11209
    xXNyteFyreXx420Sharingan
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    I'd start by removing the font color code, pain to read on superior skin.

  10. #11210
    YOU BLACK, MIDNIGHT, EVIL MOTHERFUCKERS!!! BLACK MAGIC, DARKNESS!!! YOU RAW, DARKNESS!!! YOU, FUCKING, DELIRIOUS MOTHERFUCKER!
    You were cold as ice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightfyre View Post
    I'd start by removing the font color code, pain to read on superior skin.
    ^ lol I agree.

    However, I am also interested in suggestions for Neo Nyzul sets.

  11. #11211
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylee View Post
    Not arguing with you just trying to find out but why is it slower tp? and with chant its a 60% dex mod so it wouldent really effect the damage that much would it?
    Horrible delay, effect is rgeatly diminished by BLU's already high multiattack rate, and yes it does affect CDC as the relative boost in STR and ATK from a fire Shikargar is a large bonus.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zirael View Post
    Stuff
    Whirl of Rage
    Benthic Typhoon
    Delta Thrust
    Heavy Strike
    Quad. Continuum
    Sudden Lunge

    Animating Wail
    Battery Charge
    Magic Fruit
    Blank Gaze
    Dream Flower
    MP Drainkiss

    Winds of Promy.
    Actinic Burst
    Fantod
    Blazing Bound
    Mortal Ray
    Barbed Crescent



    2 points left over for whatever

  12. #11212
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prothescar View Post
    Horrible delay, effect is rgeatly diminished by BLU's already high multiattack rate, and yes it does affect CDC as the relative boost in STR and ATK from a fire Shikargar is a large bonus.
    Was wondering if same could be said for the DA +11 ToM sword and if it's worth making, i remember a while back it was considered better then str for abyssea, is it still worth making and if so what other content could it be more beneficial then str sword (other than helping to try and hit sword procs in VW)?

  13. #11213
    Impossiblu
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    Diffusion merits are still worthless if anyone was wondering. 5% per merit for a maximum buff duration bonus of +45~56.25% with 5/5 merits and augmented Mirage Charuqs +2 depending on whether the first merit gives 5% and whether the merits and charuqs are additive or multiplicative, will test in a bit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robertfb View Post
    Was wondering if same could be said for the DA +11 ToM sword and if it's worth making, i remember a while back it was considered better then str for abyssea, is it still worth making and if so what other content could it be more beneficial then str sword (other than helping to try and hit sword procs in VW)?
    It was never better than STR sword. STR sword is superior on almost any mob you can possibly fight that isn't so low that it doesn't matter what you wear.

  14. #11214
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    Ok did the test. It only adds an extra 20% on top of Mirage Charuq's 25%, no 5% for the first merit.

    animating Wail cast @ 9:31:27, wore at 9:38:43.

    The best you could hope for out of this will be saving about 25MP every 2 casts of Animating Wail or 22~ extra MP from Battery Charge after accounting for MP cost. You'd also save a few seconds of casting time and have smaller lapses in losing the haste from Animating Wail, but still tiny benefits. 5/5 Diffusion is worthless.

  15. #11215
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    I prefer sheep song somewhere in there for undead, as you really don't need a long lasting sleep when you are powering through floors. I used to have more defensive spells set, including white wind, but adding a second SCH instead of a DD had a large benefit for us and having embrava on 24/7, I didn't need heals much at all. I have a very similar setup but with A. Spikes for extra DD spell/SC closer and I've not used MP Drainkiss since I have 10 refresh in my idle gear including Battery Charge.

  16. #11216
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    Is there ever really a use for Requiescat when you have CDC? I'm sitting with Upheaval merits for a WAR i've never ever used before, so pondering if its worth re-meriting for Requiescat.

  17. #11217
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    Quote Originally Posted by transmit View Post
    Is there ever really a use for Requiescat when you have CDC? I'm sitting with Upheaval merits for a WAR i've never ever used before, so pondering if its worth re-meriting for Requiescat.
    If you are using BLU in Nyzul it's pretty awesome for the Flan NM and some puddings/slimes.

  18. #11218
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    Yeah it's useful in Nyzul and for some Caturae that have shields, but aside from that it's not very justifiable.

  19. #11219
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zirael View Post
    For Neo-Nyzul Isle, would you do BLU/WAR with following spells:

    Dream Flower(3)
    MP Drainkiss(4)
    Magic Fruit(3)
    Occultation(3)
    Amorphic Spikes(4)

    Triple Attack(5+7)
    Heavy Strike(2), Empty Thrash(3),
    Demoralizing Roar(4), Acrid Stream(3)

    Store TP I(5)
    Sudden Lunge(4), Fantod(1)

    Dual Wield III (26)
    Quad Animating Delta Blazing Mortal Barbed

    Or BLU/DNC with following:

    Dream Flower(3)
    Delta Thrust(2)
    MP Drainkiss(4)
    Magic Fruit(3)
    Quadrastrike(5)
    Amorphic Spikes(4)
    Occultation(3)

    Auto-Refresh(8)
    Winds of Promy(4), Actinic burst(4)

    Triple Attack(5+7)
    Heavy Strike(2), Empty Thrash(3),
    Demoralizing Roar(4), Acrid Stream(3)

    Store TP I(5)
    Sudden Lunge(4), Fantod(1),

    Conserve MP(4)
    Chaotic Eye(2), Zephyr Mantle(2)

    Attack Bonus(6)
    Battle Dance(3), Uppercut(3)

    I know many people prefer /war, but maintaining DW3 eats up alot of my spell points, on the other hand /dnc I lose DA+10 and Berserk. Care sharing your spell set or suggesting adjustments to the above?

    I don't set occcultation since regen+embrava easily keep me alive, didn't set MP drainkiss/auto-refresh(but have AoE erase for bind) either since MP isn't an issue in Nyzul. Honestly in Nyzul I just go all out DD and focus on killing and let embrava/regen/SCH keep everyone alive, and hardly waste time to do support except sudden lunge annoying NMs and AoE erase when everyone bound+AoE sleep when SCH not around. Extra points all goes to melee job trait.
    The only reason to /DNC over /WAR is fast sneak/invis, otherwise every extra dmg helps and SCH can do the support/heal.

  20. #11220
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    What's the best atmacite for BLU in VW? Looking at Valiant(all attribute+15), Incursion(DEX+15 attack+15) and Tropics(triple attack+3%)? Or would Imperium(all attribute +8 ) better than triple attack+3%?

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