Connecticuit is turning their kids into WUSSIES!!!

[sephir]

I think its sad that CT teachers have to do this. If one football team is dominating the other, what do you expect the coach to do? say just hold the ball and let the clock run down? Hell no, play the game until the end.

I think its a sad day when the people who come in last place in sports get awards. The world we live in does not reward the losers and it is a bad example the parents and the school board are setting. Although 50+ points is getting a bit out of hand I don't believe there should be action taken against a coach for doing a great job.

[Raivyn]

Good schools play well against ALL opponents, not just the ones they need to be. It's not the players faults that other teams suck, or the athletic directors and coaches happened to schedule a team below their skill level.

Bottom line is, that by instituting this rule, and holding the coach responsible, you're ultimately gonna hurt the players by sending the message that it's ok to do just enough and not your best ALL the time.

I was an athlete growing up, and you can be damned sure that if i was playing, i was playing my best for myself and my team, i don't care who's on the other team and whether they are good or terrible.

I'm perfectly ok with instituting things like running the clock etc...or similar things for other sports. But NEVER tell a kid athlete not to do their best from start to finish. Anyone who can't understand that was either on the losing team their entire life, or never played to begin with.

The arguement that mommy doesn't wanna see her baby sad? That's the whole problem to begin with, mommy has nothing to do with sports, if she doesn't want her kid to be sad, teach him not to be a pussy instead of coddling him his whole life. Encourage him to be better, don't tell him it's ok to suck.

Again blame NCLB :D

You do realize that all of these problems existed before NCLB, right?

[Raivyn]

My school never ran up the score until that game, and we wouldn't have ran it up if they hadn't embarassed the deaf school. I do call that karma for them. Yes, we ran it up on them, yet we played our scrubs in the second half of the rest of our games to avoid winning by more than 50points.

No, you play the 'scrubs' because they're the kids who never get to play in the 'real' games. Do you see the hypocrisy in your reasoning?

For one, many teams will rotate in the 'scrubs' and still shut out the other team. Why? Because their second and third strings are still good, just not as good as the first

For two, how is it not ok to humiliate one team by running up the score, but perfectly ok to humiliate your own team by benching them 100% of the time unless you've already beaten a team whose capabilities are laughable? Apparently "no John, you suck too much to be allowed to play in the real games, go sit on the fucking bench you scrub" is nowhere near as bad as "we're going to beat you in a fair game". :eyeroll:

Note: Yes, you should play your non-starters, but not in the way you're describing.

[Akoa]

Good schools play well against ALL opponents, not just the ones they need to be. It's not the players faults that other teams suck, or the athletic directors and coaches happened to schedule a team below their skill level.

Bottom line is, that by instituting this rule, and holding the coach responsible, you're ultimately gonna hurt the players by sending the message that it's ok to do just enough and not your best ALL the time.

I was an athlete growing up, and you can be damned sure that if i was playing, i was playing my best for myself and my team, i don't care who's on the other team and whether they are good or terrible.

I'm perfectly ok with instituting things like running the clock etc...or similar things for other sports. But NEVER tell a kid athlete not to do their best from start to finish. Anyone who can't understand that was either on the losing team their entire life, or never played to begin with.

The arguement that mommy doesn't wanna see her baby sad? That's the whole problem to begin with, mommy has nothing to do with sports, if she doesn't want her kid to be sad, teach him not to be a pussy instead of coddling him his whole life. Encourage him to be better, don't tell him it's ok to suck.

I completely agree. The whole suspend the coach is just freakin retarted. Maybe someone could try to appeal it.

-Or-

Look into why the 50 point lead happened in the first place. If there was a rule broken, the deal with it then. If not, leave the people alone.

[Arthen]

High school football coaches in Connecticut will have to be good sports this fall

is that even english?

[Ksandra]

Good schools play well against ALL opponents, not just the ones they need to be. It's not the players faults that other teams suck, or the athletic directors and coaches happened to schedule a team below their skill level.

Bottom line is, that by instituting this rule, and holding the coach responsible, you're ultimately gonna hurt the players by sending the message that it's ok to do just enough and not your best ALL the time.

I was an athlete growing up, and you can be damned sure that if i was playing, i was playing my best for myself and my team, i don't care who's on the other team and whether they are good or terrible.

I'm perfectly ok with instituting things like running the clock etc...or similar things for other sports. But NEVER tell a kid athlete not to do their best from start to finish. Anyone who can't understand that was either on the losing team their entire life, or never played to begin with.

The arguement that mommy doesn't wanna see her baby sad? That's the whole problem to begin with, mommy has nothing to do with sports, if she doesn't want her kid to be sad, teach him not to be a pussy instead of coddling him his whole life. Encourage him to be better, don't tell him it's ok to suck.

Again blame NCLB :D

You do realize that all of these problems existed before NCLB, right?

You do realize that I've lived in CT all my life and my whole family is involved in the education system in one way or another? And you do realize that before NCLB it was called "good sportsmanship", and after NCLB it's called "do it or get fired"? It existed but it was minimal and was based on tradition and ethics, now it's based on keeping your job.

[Norelco]

Yes, ever heard of the term "good sport"?

The coach has to be a good sport and not run up the score. It threw me for a loop as well until I read it a few time. It really was a poor choice of wording.

[Raivyn]

Good schools play well against ALL opponents, not just the ones they need to be. It's not the players faults that other teams suck, or the athletic directors and coaches happened to schedule a team below their skill level.

Bottom line is, that by instituting this rule, and holding the coach responsible, you're ultimately gonna hurt the players by sending the message that it's ok to do just enough and not your best ALL the time.

I was an athlete growing up, and you can be damned sure that if i was playing, i was playing my best for myself and my team, i don't care who's on the other team and whether they are good or terrible.

I'm perfectly ok with instituting things like running the clock etc...or similar things for other sports. But NEVER tell a kid athlete not to do their best from start to finish. Anyone who can't understand that was either on the losing team their entire life, or never played to begin with.

The arguement that mommy doesn't wanna see her baby sad? That's the whole problem to begin with, mommy has nothing to do with sports, if she doesn't want her kid to be sad, teach him not to be a pussy instead of coddling him his whole life. Encourage him to be better, don't tell him it's ok to suck.

Again blame NCLB :D

You do realize that all of these problems existed before NCLB, right?

You do realize that I've lived in CT all my life and my whole family is involved in the education system in one way or another? And you do realize that before NCLB it was called "good sportsmanship", and after NCLB it's called "do it or get fired"? It existed but it was minimal and was based on tradition and ethics, now it's based on keeping your job.

Hahaha, no, it was always about keeping your job. Nothing you just said in any way changes what I noted.

Also, have you ever played sports? Good sportsmanship is far from 'running up the score'. You make it sound like it's somehow cheap. I'm fine with slaughter rule stop-clock, but this is just ridiculous. Sports are no place for crybabies.

[Ksandra]

Good schools play well against ALL opponents, not just the ones they need to be. It's not the players faults that other teams suck, or the athletic directors and coaches happened to schedule a team below their skill level.

Bottom line is, that by instituting this rule, and holding the coach responsible, you're ultimately gonna hurt the players by sending the message that it's ok to do just enough and not your best ALL the time.

I was an athlete growing up, and you can be damned sure that if i was playing, i was playing my best for myself and my team, i don't care who's on the other team and whether they are good or terrible.

I'm perfectly ok with instituting things like running the clock etc...or similar things for other sports. But NEVER tell a kid athlete not to do their best from start to finish. Anyone who can't understand that was either on the losing team their entire life, or never played to begin with.

The arguement that mommy doesn't wanna see her baby sad? That's the whole problem to begin with, mommy has nothing to do with sports, if she doesn't want her kid to be sad, teach him not to be a pussy instead of coddling him his whole life. Encourage him to be better, don't tell him it's ok to suck.

Again blame NCLB :D

You do realize that all of these problems existed before NCLB, right?

You do realize that I've lived in CT all my life and my whole family is involved in the education system in one way or another? And you do realize that before NCLB it was called "good sportsmanship", and after NCLB it's called "do it or get fired"? It existed but it was minimal and was based on tradition and ethics, now it's based on keeping your job.

Hahaha, no, it was always about keeping your job. Nothing you just said in any way changes what I noted.

Also, have you ever played sports? Good sportsmanship is far from 'running up the score'. You make it sound like it's somehow cheap. I'm fine with slaughter rule stop-clock, but this is just ridiculous. Sports are no place for crybabies.

Work in the education system and you'd see what I'm trying to say.

[Heian]

Yeah well the only thing I like about CT is University of Hartford lol... Good Times.

[Raivyn]

[quote=Ksandra]

Good schools play well against ALL opponents, not just the ones they need to be. It's not the players faults that other teams suck, or the athletic directors and coaches happened to schedule a team below their skill level.

Bottom line is, that by instituting this rule, and holding the coach responsible, you're ultimately gonna hurt the players by sending the message that it's ok to do just enough and not your best ALL the time.

I was an athlete growing up, and you can be damned sure that if i was playing, i was playing my best for myself and my team, i don't care who's on the other team and whether they are good or terrible.

I'm perfectly ok with instituting things like running the clock etc...or similar things for other sports. But NEVER tell a kid athlete not to do their best from start to finish. Anyone who can't understand that was either on the losing team their entire life, or never played to begin with.

The arguement that mommy doesn't wanna see her baby sad? That's the whole problem to begin with, mommy has nothing to do with sports, if she doesn't want her kid to be sad, teach him not to be a pussy instead of coddling him his whole life. Encourage him to be better, don't tell him it's ok to suck.

Again blame NCLB :D

You do realize that all of these problems existed before NCLB, right?

You do realize that I've lived in CT all my life and my whole family is involved in the education system in one way or another? And you do realize that before NCLB it was called "good sportsmanship", and after NCLB it's called "do it or get fired"? It existed but it was minimal and was based on tradition and ethics, now it's based on keeping your job.

Hahaha, no, it was always about keeping your job. Nothing you just said in any way changes what I noted.

Also, have you ever played sports? Good sportsmanship is far from 'running up the score'. You make it sound like it's somehow cheap. I'm fine with slaughter rule stop-clock, but this is just ridiculous. Sports are no place for crybabies.

Work in the education system and you'd see what I'm trying to say. [/quote:31505]

I see what you're trying to say, it's just inconsequential. Nothing you just said in any way changes what I noted. And I'm sorry, is it you who works for CT edu, or your family members?

[Ksandra]

I see what you're trying to say, it's just inconsequential. Nothing you just said in any way changes what I noted. And I'm sorry, is it you who works for CT edu, or your family members?

My original statement wasn't even directed towards you, so I don't know what you mean about me trying to change what you said, it was you who attacked me first, so I defended myself.

When I said my whole family, that included me. My mom is a special education teacher in an elementary school, my sister is a kindergarden teacher, my father is a retired math professor, I have worked three years as a substitute teacher, long-term sub, and worked one-on-one with a special needs student who had shaken-baby syndrome. I have a masters in education and was working towards secondary-education certification, but I'm moving to California in the summer, and certification is state-by-state. It is pointless for me to get certified in CT, since it has no bearing on me getting certified in California, therefore I have stuck with substituting for the time being. And actually I'm rather disgusted in many ways of how the goverment is ruining our schools, and I've debated on whether or not I even want to teach anymore. But that's another story. ^_~

[Raivyn]

I see what you're trying to say, it's just inconsequential. Nothing you just said in any way changes what I noted. And I'm sorry, is it you who works for CT edu, or your family members?

My original statement wasn't even directed towards you, so I don't know what you mean about me trying to change what you said, it was you who attacked me first, so I defended myself.

You do realize that all of these problems existed before NCLB, right?

Oh man, such a relentless attack on a poor unsuspecting soul. Someone nominate me for bastard of the year, I'm just as bad as the guy beating up the old lady in that other thread.

[Talus]

For people who are saying this is a bad thing, I really don't understand your logic.

I'll explain why it's a good rule. It's called sportsmanship. Kids in high school football aren't being paid to play it either through a grant-in-aid (athletic scholarship) or through a salary like a professional. If you're up by fifty in a high school football game, you may as well call the game because the outcome isn't really in question anymore.

In a lot of softball leagues, there is the "mercy" rule, usually if one team is up by 10 or more runs, the game is called. While everyone would like to play the full length of the game, it's pretty pitiful to keep beating on a team with less ability and talent.

It's a lot more classy if you're up by a huge margin to put in your 2nd, 3rd, 4th stringers and get them some snaps.

This isn't about turning kids into wusses, it's about sportmanship, fair play and class.

[Jotaru]

Ok, sure, let's pass this law.

I really have no problem with it, as long as someone can show me the line where we stop giving things to people, and not urging people to make their own success, and where the real world starts; I may have a problem finding it myself.

[Avvesione]

I was watching ESPN this afternoon and one of the topics on "Around the Horn" was this. They had 2 people who took up the opposite sides of the matter.

Kinda reminded me of this thread.

Regardless, I feel that if they pass a law like this, they should put it into effect in all sports and not just football. I know in my district a track team got beat 116 - 22. I know in softball games get called after 3 innings because of such a rout.

I think it's bad that they targeted only football in this. Although the penalty is weak (1 game suspension) I think they should've been a good sport to all sports. I'm interested to see if any scores in CT are like 65-14 this fall tho...

[Gregorio]

For people who are saying this is a bad thing, I really don't understand your logic.

I'll explain why it's a good rule. It's called sportsmanship. Kids in high school football aren't being paid to play it either through a grant-in-aid (athletic scholarship) or through a salary like a professional. If you're up by fifty in a high school football game, you may as well call the game because the outcome isn't really in question anymore.

In a lot of softball leagues, there is the "mercy" rule, usually if one team is up by 10 or more runs, the game is called. While everyone would like to play the full length of the game, it's pretty pitiful to keep beating on a team with less ability and talent.

It's a lot more classy if you're up by a huge margin to put in your 2nd, 3rd, 4th stringers and get them some snaps.

This isn't about turning kids into wusses, it's about sportmanship, fair play and class.

Great post. There is really no point other than completely humiliating a team by beating them by more than 50 points (in high school, at least). And as much as I love watching college football, I hate that the BCS is set up so that you're encouraged to crush your opponent.

I've played a lot of sports in my time in school, and wrestling was the only one with a "mercy rule" type situation, and that was when you were beating a kid by 15 points. To get teched (the 15 point thing) was probably the most embarassing thing there was, worse than getting pinned in 10 seconds in my opinion. The only people who teched other kids were the ones who wanted to humiliate their oponent, and it's disgusting to see that kind of attitude in high school sports. Kids are usually just playing for fun...the vast majority of them will never play them in college or pro, so there's no point in asserting your dominance in such a way.

Plus, I think that 15 point tech actually helped the kids who were getting whooped out. I only got teched once when I wrestled, it was my first year and one of my first matches and I didn't have a very good idea of what I was doing. It was so embarassing I was determined to never get teched again, and I didn't. I was close sometimes when I was wrestling someone who was way better than me, but I fought my ass off so the match wouldn't get called.

And to the person who said putting the scrubs in when the team is up by a ton is embarassing to the scrubs... I played basketball for a while too, and I sucked. I was a scrub, but I played so I could hang out with my friends, have fun and a little competition. I didn't expect to go in when the game was on the line, sure I wanted to but the truth is I would have blown the game. 95% of the kids who are scrubs know they are, it's not news to them. They're probably there for some fun, and would love the opportunity to get some playing time and maybe show some people what they're made of.

EDIT: Except the time when my coach put me in for literally 2 seconds. That one was realyl embarassing. XD

[Raivyn]

For people who are saying this is a bad thing, I really don't understand your logic.

I'll explain why it's a good rule. It's called sportsmanship. Kids in high school football aren't being paid to play it either through a grant-in-aid (athletic scholarship) or through a salary like a professional. If you're up by fifty in a high school football game, you may as well call the game because the outcome isn't really in question anymore.

In a lot of softball leagues, there is the "mercy" rule, usually if one team is up by 10 or more runs, the game is called. While everyone would like to play the full length of the game, it's pretty pitiful to keep beating on a team with less ability and talent.

It's a lot more classy if you're up by a huge margin to put in your 2nd, 3rd, 4th stringers and get them some snaps.

This isn't about turning kids into wusses, it's about sportmanship, fair play and class.

There is no problem with a 'mercy' or 'slaughter' rule, but there is a problem with telling kids to play under their capabilities, regardless of team - and that's what this is promoting. Whoever is trying to put this into effect really does not understand the cause-effect relationship of all the factors involved. The problem isn't the other team being meanies that need to be reprimanded - the problem is there is no 'mercy' rule currently instated. Put it in, end of discussion.

[Raivyn]

It was so embarassing I was determined to never get teched again, and I didn't. I was close sometimes when I was wrestling someone who was way better than me, but I fought my ass off so the match wouldn't get called.

And that's a great attitude to have in a competition, so great job man!

And to the person who said putting the scrubs in when the team is up by a ton is embarassing to the scrubs... I played basketball for a while too, and I sucked. I was a scrub, but I played so I could hang out with my friends, have fun and a little competition. I didn't expect to go in when the game was on the line, sure I wanted to but the truth is I would have blown the game. 95% of the kids who are scrubs know they are, it's not news to them. They're probably there for some fun, and would love the opportunity to get some playing time and maybe show some people what they're made of.

EDIT: Except the time when my coach put me in for literally 2 seconds. That one was realyl embarassing. XD

Naturally, but a team who only puts the scrubs in when they are annihilating the other team to me reeks of bad coaching, and the desire to win at all costs. Generally the reason many kids are 'scrubs' is because they have 0 reliable field experience. A good coach will rotate in 'scrubs' to keep his starters fresh, while maintaining a high proportion of starters on the field at all times (pending position). Basketball is a little different due to the fact that there are only going to be 5 people on the court at one time, but with sports like football, soccer, lacrosse, there is no reason to not rotate in your lesser players for a few plays every quarter to get them some playtime and experience. A team that doesn't play their 'scrubs' until they're up by 50 - and then puts all or most of their 'scrubs' in to me signals an asshole coach.

[Takeno]

Soccer is not the case. If you substitute a player out they cant go back in.