WHM Melee random crap

[Shinryuu]

Swedish? Norwegian? I thought it was a fairly simple explanation but I can give you an example so it gets easier. Calculate the increase from a piece of equipment with 20 attack in this hypothetical:

You have 100 attack, and the mob has 50 defense. The ratio is therefore 100/50=2 (step 1)

The mob is 10 levels higher than you. Therefore the ratio gets penalized: 2-(10*0.05)=1.5 (step 2)

You have 20% critical hitrate: (0.8 * 1.5) + (0.2 * 2.5) = 1.7 (step 3)

This means, on average, your melee swings have this multiplier from attack and crits.

Now, do this again for an increase in attack of 20.

120/50=2.4
2.40.5=1.9
(0.8*1.9)+(0.2*2.9)=2.1 (step 4)

This increase (1.7 to 2.1) is roughly a 23.5% increase (step 5)

Now, say, 50% of your damage comes from weaponskills. This means the total increase from the 20 attack is 11.75%. (step 6)

Easier now? If not, can always PM me!

[RyaWHM]

I am sad that Tsuko stopped playing tricks on me

Swedish? Norwegian?

Danish!

Also, your patience with me is really amazing

Thanks for lending so much smartness to the WHM killage cause

[whackwhackwhm]

I really wasn't able to play whm melee to its best possible potential due to several factors. I play on PS2 and have limited macro options. I wanted to really chain 4-5's all the xp type mobs as whm solo but never really got to try except a few types of mobs. I am not concern about outparsing true DD's on xp/merit party. What whm brings as solo melee trying to chain xp type mobs is very hard to match even with the best of them DD. To me this is where an ultimate whm melee will shine among all other jobs.


To Mr Izzy:

Your parse data on them merit bird party is awesome. But if possible maybe you can try to solo chaining them birds and get some parse result. This would definitely add more clout to your already superstar status as whm melee here in BG . Also there is this item "Fenrir Earring" that might also help add a little extra damage even though its a day item only.



To Ms Ryawhm:

Hello to you too^^. Congratulations on your upcoming Mjollnir . Maybe you can also do some test as solo whm concerning the max efficiency of whm melee on VT-IT mobs. I am definitely interested. BTW your WHM is hot , just don't try to hexastrike me lol.



To Mr Shiryuu (The whm math genius )

I would like to request if its possible for you to figure out what is the possible highest weaponskill damage a WHM can do on particular mobs if given some certain stats.

example:

scenario: soloing at sky on aura pots

Aura Pots @ Shrine of Ru' Avitau (possible con EM-IT ?)
My total attack on WS gear is 466
My weapon is Mjollnir

what would be the possible max weaponskill damage if landing all hits + double attack + critical hit rate + mob/weapon type modifier + the relic damage multiplier modifier.

here is an example video of the solo I did on sky at youtube. - watch?v=CJzWFXanhyo - . Managed to do 2043 Hexastrike but I am thinking with the right theoretical math it would be possible to hit 2500 on these . Would be nice to prove it even if its only on paper lol.

[Izzy]

To Mr Izzy:

Your parse data on them merit bird party is awesome. But if possible maybe you can try to solo chaining them birds and get some parse result. This would definitely add more clout to your already superstar status as whm melee here in BG . Also there is this item "Fenrir Earring" that might also help add a little extra damage even though its a day item only.

It's pretty hard to solo shit, stay alive, and make chain without a dedicated healer. Pecking flurry, feather tickle, and snatch morsel are all going to slow you down. Pecking flurry basically makes it pointless to cast shadows at all. If there was a dedicated healer there to spam cure V on me over and over, it would be incredibly easy to keep chain.

[phrost]

I am far more entranced by your superfluous color and text formatting magicks.

[RyaWHM]

Jeez ... three Relic Club + Kraken Club WHMs, in once place ...

if this doesn't prove FFXI is an old dead game, I dunno what does ._. /sigh

Now all we need is Kyarutaru and Kalessa in here...

[Shinryuu]

Whack: For that I'd need to know the maximum amount of STR (and possibly MND if the amount of MND in a certain slot adds more DMG) for a WHM. We're going to assume that all hits will land regardless (in reality you wouldn't use a full STR kit, of course). I'm going to make a quick sketch. Race: Elvaan. What's your STR and MND with 5/5 STR?

Mjollnir/Gullintani/-/RSE Satchel
Selenian*/Gorget/Triumph/Triumph**
Marduk's/Healer's Mitts +1/Triumph/Triumph
Royal Army Mantle/Warwolf Belt/Blessed +1/Marduk

* STR+4 WS damage+2%
** No Brutal. We're assuming capped ACC, ATK, full DA hits, full crit hits, and DA can come from Fighter's Roll.

I think that's roughly the max mods you can get.

MND: +38
STR: +34

Total MND and STR depend on base STR. Someone provide those for Elvaan WHM/NIN

[Aksannyi]

I am far more entranced by your superfluous color and text formatting magicks.

Until I quoted this, I thought you had found a way to post in gradient. I am disappointed that there isn't like a gradient code.

[Shinryuu]

I am far more entranced by your superfluous color and text formatting magicks.

Wow.

[Clave]

Now all we need is Kyarutaru and Kalessa in here...

Kyaru's been reading, but she says she's too distracted by your creative/colorful posting style, lol. She likes shiny things and art stuff. I'm more math oriented. What you've posted had been a topic among us ever since the augments were revealed, and she was initially leaning towards making an attack+7/accuracy+7 weapon skill piece like Izzy was. However, now we're reconsidering making a Haste+3%/Accuracy+7 TP piece.

I did some math a while ago and it made me realize just how much of an advantage I have on my Amano SAM over her Mjollnir WHM in accuracy alone. I currently have 407 accuracy in my build(using askar body, mind you), whereas she has about 326. The high difference is due to a lot of factors.

-WHM has a TERRIBLE selection of accuracy gear. Pretty much no good accuracy gear in any of the visible slots. Accuracy usually comes from gear that all jobs can equip (Toreador's/Sniper+1/PCC/Earrings).
-Extra 20 GK skill over her club skill
-About 20 extra acc due to 2hander DEX calculation and hume SAM having higher DEX. WHM has the lowest DEX tier.
-20 Acc on my 2h relic. 1h relic gets 20 attack instead.

tldr: All in all I do believe Haste+3% Acc+7 to be a great choice for Mjollnir White Mages. Kyaru will keep the Blessed+1 though because she can just change her spellcast script to use it under capped acc situations. Plus, she BETTER NOT SELL IT AFTER I SPEND SO MUCH WORK/GIL CRAFTING AND SIGNING IT FOR HER.

In any case, I'm pretty surprised at how underrated Randgrith seems to be to all of you. Granted, Hexa Strike will be your weapon skill of choice in most situations, but Randgrith can hold its own in high evasion situations and even exceed Hexa Strike. I've seen this first hand. In the few times Kyaru and I duo'd Overlord Bakgodek, her Randgriths always did more than her Hexa Strikes. He has extremely high evasion and defense and I had a tough time hitting it on my THF. Her Hexa Strikes did between 50-220, while her Randgriths were more in the 250-300 range and was quite helpful in letting me hit it as well, speeding up our kill. My DEs were terrible and in the double digits usually without SA or TA <_< so I just did SA/TA Mandalic Stab when I could for its attack bonus. Only then could I keep up.

Edit: As a comparison, in a parse against Campaign Fortifications Randgrith averages about 2/3ths damage of Hexa Strike's average. This would be an ideal situation for Hexa Strike since accuracy is capped. So, in situations where you really need the accuracy Randgrith is an excellent choice. It's not e-peen damage, but you will do more damage overall.

[RyaWHM]

Making it bold really allows your expressive colors to shine and be pretty!

[Kyarutaru]

Kyaru's been reading, but she says she's too distracted by your creative/colorful posting style, lol. She likes shiny things and art stuff.

Plus, she BETTER NOT SELL IT AFTER I SPEND SO MUCH WORK/GIL CRAFTING AND SIGNING IT FOR HER.

;-; omg I'd never sell it! D:< I still have the fkn Gold Hairpin you made for me ages ago because it's signed!

and yeah. art major. fk numbers, yay hitting things. ;~; <3 Clave's here to keep me inline and make sure I have the very best stuff mathwise. But holy crap I can't read Rya's posts due to the colors cuz I only look at those words and skip everything in between and my mind automatically deletes numbers and equations in posts so np.

And hay, I can still use the Blessed for normal actually WHMy stuff if anything!

[Shinryuu]

By the way, why are the WHMs here talking about augmenting Haste+3%/ACC+7? Not that those aren't the best melee-wise... but you're white mages, not pringles.

http://20.media.tumblr.com/qyuzOO6cG...pG9go1_400.jpg

There's cure potency +5%, too.

[Kyarutaru]

Prolly because we're relic-wielding WHMs and would like to enhance our meleeing abilities best as possible?

Oh yeah, and I guess because of the thread topic being about meleeing.

[RyaWHM]

My #1 "lalalalala-can't-hear-you" reasoning/excuse is:

I have heard several people say "...and now I can get 35% curepot!"

...but I already faketaru myself into medring fulltime, so I have 37%!



#2 - apparently, all of us here have turned down the Cure+3% MKD hat
for a pile of hexa, so we already joined the dark side (no turning back)



#3 - lastly,

Tatsumakisenpucurepot (curepot/____) = 5th rollerskate wheel http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/v..._pants_101.jpg

Fauxmam Cosciales (haste/accuracy) = a kazoo http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/v..._pants_102.jpg

...lemme explain:

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When we are curing, we're like those old-timey rollerskating waitresses. We
can glide around carrying 2394829374 servings of SaveMe Pie, np! Adding
another wheel to each foot, it does help us not to fall over I guess, but it's
a relatively small benefit, considering everything else we do already.
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When we melee though, we're crippled old people who smell, and you don't
wanna be impolite and say something, so you let them sit next to you. And
we can't do a lot of normal things that real melees can, such as:
- scare away animals
- notify someone that we're in trouble
- entertain ourselves
But with a kazoo, those problems are solved! Are we just like everyone else?
No way... but it's a huge help.
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...by the way, we know we smell, we can't help it.

It's the smell of our friends' blood, mixed with the smell of our enemies' blood.

And we're addicted to it.

[Andradi]

That post is amazing. Just sayin'.

[Kyarutaru]

That post is amazing. Just sayin'.

lol I heartily agree! lol the crippled smelly old people reference fits so perfectly ;-;~

[Skjie]

Really glad I clicked on this thread. Just for that post.

[Julio]

Spoiler: show

My #1 "lalalalala-can't-hear-you" reasoning/excuse is:

I have heard several people say "...and now I can get 35% curepot!"

...but I already faketaru myself into medring fulltime, so I have 37%!



#2 - apparently, all of us here have turned down the Cure+3% MKD hat
for a pile of hexa, so we already joined the dark side (no turning back)



#3 - lastly,

Tatsumakisenpucurepot (curepot/____) = 5th rollerskate wheel

Fauxmam Cosciales (haste/accuracy) = a kazoo

...lemme explain:

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When we are curing, we're like those old-timey rollerskating waitresses. We
can glide around carrying 2394829374 servings of SaveMe Pie, np! Adding
another wheel to each foot, it does help us not to fall over I guess, but it's
a relatively small benefit, considering everything else we do already.
_______________________
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When we melee though, we're crippled old people who smell, and you don't
wanna be impolite and say something, so you let them sit next to you. And
we can't do a lot of normal things that real melees can, such as:
- scare away animals
- notify someone that we're in trouble
- entertain ourselves
But with a kazoo, those problems are solved! Are we just like everyone else?
No way... but it's a huge help.
_______________________




...by the way, we know we smell, we can't help it.

It's the smell of our friends' blood, mixed with the smell of our enemies' blood.

And we're addicted to it.

There's just so much win in this post that I registered to quote this, but couldnt before I edited out all the pictures.

But I want to underline Rya's point here.

[Tsuko_Asura]

I would go straight for this woman