WHM Melee random crap

[Amele]

Was it confirmed by anyone that Randgrith can be used with a breeze gorget?

rukenshin did tests with gorgets and relic weaponskills, it works with any of the elements in it's tier II placement (but not light 2 or darkness 2)

randgrith is fragmentation right? so it should work with both breeze and thunder gorgets.

[Izzy]

Was it confirmed by anyone that Randgrith can be used with a breeze gorget?

rukenshin did tests with gorgets and relic weaponskills, it works with any of the elements in it's tier II placement (but not light 2 or darkness 2)

randgrith is fragmentation right? so it should work with both breeze and thunder gorgets.

Ok, thanks. Wanted to make sure I wasn't being a retard and using the wrong gorget this whole time haha.

[Izzy]

I've been doing LOTS of meriting on WHM latley since i got this club, and my accuracy has turned into . The only thing I could improve on would be 2x snipers +1, and thats just +4 more accuracy. I have 6 more merits to go to cap club, so that's 11~ more accuracy, but after that . I think I'm doomed to sushi forever. I'll probley be a zamtard and put in a sugguestion to raise WHM club skill to A or A+ (comon, like it's going to break the game or something).

Also, random question about relic: Does the triple damage proc on WS's sometimes too?

[Kriz]

I'm sad to hear that. I guess you are talking about TPing and not WSing. If I recall correctly, you sub Ninja? Cause that obviously removes the two places for accuracy that I could reccomend (Tariqah+1 for 5 acc in Shield, Diabolos Earring/Accurate Earring for Ear).

Also, before I start my diatribe, remember that a boost of accuracy around 10 (three more merits and Snipers+1) is a great deal more to add, IMO. What's the accuracy you are parsing? 80%? Let's get this to a science.

If your accuracy is really crunching, you may have to suck it up and remove some Haste.

I'll try to give you the options...

Head: Turban to Ohat : 5% for 10Acc
Body: Nashira/Goliard to Rev/Tabin+1 : 3/4% for 10/8Acc
Hands: You won't. I don't even know your options. (Lies, I think it'd be 6% to 3 Accuracy)
Waist: Swift to Life/Potent: 4% for 7/5Acc
Legs: Blessed to Volunteer/Princes: 3/4% for 6/4Acc
Feet: Blessed to Tabin: 2/3% for 3Acc

Your other slots for TP are again choices of Accuracy versus power, but I can only think of Charm versus Torque (10Acc vs. ~6-7Acc and 7 attack) and Mantle vs. Bastok Mantle (6 attack / 1attack 2 str vs. lol1acc). You should make an Alla profile of your TP and WS gear so I can better understand what you have, it's been a while so I assume you have access to everything above.

Just looking at your Haste choices, you may have to bite the bullet and swap off Nashira (I assume you have it, and not Goliard) for the Rev. Mail. It gives the best return on Accuracy for the Haste you give up (3% for 10Acc).

Don't worry, we can work through this

Oh, quick edit. I found the solution. Just swap Blessed Feet and Legs for Hydra gear! 16 Accuracy! Hell toss in the Hydra gloves for another 6 Accuracy! Hah, and while your at it get a good old Ninurta Sash
Actually the legs and and feet are epic and I'd totally recommend at least the feet swap, but we know how likely those drops are

[Amele]

I wouldn't necessarily drop haste for accuracy, depending heavily on your hit rate and how much haste you have right now, increasing your accuracy at the cost of swing speed may actually *decrease* your dot

and at any rate, I seriously doubt that whm (which isn't even A- skill) will be able to reach meat accuracy rates, when several jobs *with* A- skill struggle to at merit.

[Rena]

I'm curious about gear, numbers and target too... getting those last club merits should be a priority, though that alone won't solve the problem of course. Oh and I totally support at least an A- club skill. It'd be nice to have at least one useful skill above B+, too. <.<;

[Kriz]

I'm assuming that an accuracy level of is in the 60% range

Obviously, what is really needed is a food with acc and attack that is any good, but that will happen right after we get the Club skill we deserve (what in the world, I'll get skillups on Club if I level PLD...)

[Sci]

To use meat and maintain a decent level of accuracy you need at /least/ around 360+ in accuracy between skill level and gear. But that's not even close to capped accuracy, that's just around where your accuracy won't be so

For a WHM to get that much accuracy you'd need capped club merits and a gearset of something like:
Mainhand club / Perdu Wand
O hat
Tiphia Sting
Reverend mail
Peacock charm
Life belt
Hydra brais (Or something like Hydra Hands + Feet instead of the legs)
2x Sniper Rings
The rest can be atk+haste.

You might just be seriously better off sticking to lower level mobs like in the mire so you won't have accuracy issues. And no, the 3x dmg doesn't proc during WS ever.

[Amele]

I'm assuming that an accuracy level of is in the 60% range

Obviously, what is really needed is a food with acc and attack that is any good, but that will happen right after we get the Club skill we deserve (what in the world, I'll get skillups on Club if I level PLD...)

I seriously doubt he's doing as poor as 60% in merit with sushi.
~80% with sushi is more likely (which would be depressing since it would mean you were a good ~50 accuracy short of where you need to be to eat meat.

[Rena]

It's possible to reach 360+ accuracy as WHM, but it'll require sacrificing a bit of haste for accuracy. Ironically it'll be harder if you have some of the better clubs too (relic stage 4/5, KC), since that means you'll lose the 15 accuracy from the seawolf cudgel, as it has too crappy DPS to justify offhanding. Wish they'd upgrade clubs to be reasonable damage/delay wise, but not gonna happen as it seems. ._.

[Amele]

it's only really necessary to get to about 300 if you're using sushi. the sushi will get you the rest of the way (to 80%)

it's all tradeoffs, this is the issue with non A-Skill weapons.

[Sci]

300+sushi is still very low, that's 345 accuracy. You actually need more like 378-387 total accuracy to get an 80% hit rate on something like Greater Colibri I believe. And 417 accuracy to hit the 95% cap.

So 345 accuracy would actually be more like a 59% hit rate which I'd say is pretty poor. To get that 80% hit rate, you'd need 337 accuracy and sushi. I'm bored and just been reading this today. http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Maximizing ... mage_Guide

I might be misinterpreting some of the equations, but anecdotally the numbers I'm coming up with seem correct.

[Amele]

300+sushi is still very low, that's 345 accuracy. You actually need more like 378-387 total accuracy to get an 80% hit rate on something like Greater Colibri I believe. And 417 accuracy to hit the 95% cap.

So 345 accuracy would actually be more like a 59% hit rate which I'd say is pretty poor. To get that 80% hit rate, you'd need 337 accuracy and sushi. I'm bored and just been reading this today. http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Maximizing ... mage_Guide

I might be misinterpreting some of the equations, but anecdotally the numbers I'm coming up with seem correct.

greater colibri total evasion: 334/339.

hit rate at Accuracy - Evasion = 75% hit rate
345-334/339 = 9/6 = 4%/3% = 79%-78% hit rate

so 1% lower than I stated *shrugs*

300+sushi is only low relative to other sushi users. you'll have accuracy similar to a good (but not elite) meat build... without the meat.

welcome to the world of being a non-A class weapon. (haste is still better than more accuracy because of how much haste a whitemage can build up. you're walking around with ~35% before you even talk about putting a bard in your party if you've actually bothered to build a haste setup)

[Akroma_Seraph]

300+sushi is still very low, that's 345 accuracy. You actually need more like 378-387 total accuracy to get an 80% hit rate on something like Greater Colibri I believe. And 417 accuracy to hit the 95% cap.

So 345 accuracy would actually be more like a 59% hit rate which I'd say is pretty poor. To get that 80% hit rate, you'd need 337 accuracy and sushi. I'm bored and just been reading this today. http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Maximizing ... mage_Guide

I might be misinterpreting some of the equations, but anecdotally the numbers I'm coming up with seem correct.

greater colibri total evasion: 334/339.

hit rate at Accuracy - Evasion = 75% hit rate
345-334/339 = 9/6 = 4%/3% = 79%-78% hit rate

so 1% lower than I stated *shrugs*

300+sushi is only low relative to other sushi users. you'll have accuracy similar to a good (but not elite) meat build... without the meat.

welcome to the world of being a non-A class weapon. (haste is still better than more accuracy because of how much haste a whitemage can build up. you're walking around with ~35% before you even talk about putting a bard in your party if you've actually bothered to build a haste setup)

First off I was under the assumption that Greater Colibri have 341Eva on average, I got that number off Naga's post awhile back posting how much AGI they had ect...

2nd I was also under the assumption that hit rate was this =

hit_rate = 0.75 + 0.005 * ((your_acc - mob_eva) - 4 * (mob_level - your_level))

Therefore,

hit_rate = 0.75 + 0.005 * ((345 - 341) - 4 * (82 - 75))
= 0.75 + 0.005 * ((4) - 4 * (7))
= 0.75 + 0.005 * (4 - 28)
= 0.75 + 0.005 * (-24)
= 0.75 + -0.12
= 63% Hit rate

[Izzy]

Mjollnir, the final stage of the Relic Club that you receive in Dynamis, is the best weapon a White Mage can use. It is also, only usable by a White Mage. Many people consider White Mage to not be able to do any sort of front line fighting, but with this weapon, it is definitely a possibility. There is a problem however. White Mage club skill will only cap at 256, the B+ rank. My suggestion is that White Mage's club skill should be raised to either A or A+ skill rating. Raising the club skil capl for White Mage would not be game breaking in any way, but it would allow for people who play White Mage to expand on the ways they can play their job, and also allow those, like myself, who have spent countless time and endless amounts of gil on that final relic weapon, to use it to it's full potential.

This is something I just sent to SE in using the Suggestion box feature in POL. If you are a WHM that likes to whack stuff, you should submit something as well. They have told us time and time again that they read their suggestion box and act upon it, so let's use it!

You can get to the suggestion box by:

Logging into POL
Clicking "Service & Support"
Click "Support" at the bottom
Choose "E-Mail support"
Under "select request type" choose "Comments & Suggestions"
Click "Open Form"
Fill out the form and put your suggestion at the bottom
Click submit!

Let's make all those mediocre NQ Hauberk WAR's cry even more when I outparse them by more than I already am!!!

Ridill/Adaberk WAR still whoop my ass upside down Q_Q

[Izzy]

Mjollnir, the final stage of the Relic Club that you receive in Dynamis, is the best weapon a White Mage can use. It is also, only usable by a White Mage. Many people consider White Mage to not be able to do any sort of front line fighting, but with this weapon, it is definitely a possibility. There is a problem however. White Mage club skill will only cap at 256, the B+ rank. My suggestion is that White Mage's club skill should be raised to either A or A+ skill rating. Raising the club skil capl for White Mage would not be game breaking in any way, but it would allow for people who play White Mage to expand on the ways they can play their job, and also allow those, like myself, who have spent countless time and endless amounts of gil on that final relic weapon, to use it to it's full potential.

This is something I just sent to SE in using the Suggestion box feature in POL. If you are a WHM that likes to whack stuff, you should submit something as well. They have told us time and time again that they read their suggestion box and act upon it, so let's use it!

You can get to the suggestion box by:

Logging into POL
Clicking "Service & Support"
Click "Support" at the bottom
Choose "E-Mail support"
Under "select request type" choose "Comments & Suggestions"
Click "Open Form"
Fill out the form and put your suggestion at the bottom
Click submit!

Let's make all those mediocre NQ Hauberk WAR's cry even more when I outparse them by more than I already am!!!

Ridill/Adaberk WAR still whoop my ass upside down Q_Q

I just realized i'm way too desprate Q_Q

[Rena]

You made me do it too. D: And also added a request to up the DPS of older clubs. >.>;

[Kriz]

Hah, that's cute. I imagine SE will giggle at the sheer suggestion though

I too would love to see a Damage rating upgrade like Dagger had, but I see that as not likely either...

If I had to ask them for something that I thought we could get, it'd be for a better melee backpiece, and maybe a Job Ability or Trait (hah!). Never know, Club mastery might rock...

Until then, we persevere on what we have to play with 8)

[Izzy]

It's not like raising WHM club skill will break FFXI or something lol.

[Damane]

It's not like raising WHM club skill will break FFXI or something lol.

omg king ranperre whm burns 4x klaken mjollnir combo with A+ club skill and 2 brds, I can see the future of meriting now