Salvage - Arrapago Remnants - thread 2

[Kaylia]

Safest way to do this I think is to save all drinks and 2 hours for the top floor. If the shit really starts to hit the fan, BLM can 2 hour and start using -ga III spells on large groups of mobs. A BLM with a fanatic's drink could probably solo 3-4 mobs in about 45 seconds by just manafonting then blizzaga III > freeze II > blizzaga III etc

Yeah, was thinking about doing that actually for the whole run, but never saw any fanatic in a chest. Fanatic last 30sec, correct? Could easily do 3 aga --> sleepga --> pop manafont and finish them one by one.

[Lyramion]

Fanatics lasts a whooping 1 minute I think. Also Fanatics and Fools Drink cancel each other out.

[Wizerd]

Fanatics lasts a whooping 1 minute I think. Also Fanatics and Fools Drink cancel each other out.

1min is correct. Luckily all TP moves seem to count as physical, from these Archaics. I found 2 Fanatic's today but didn't even think about BLM invincible and Manafont... We would have popped them if we'd done that. ><

Oh well, next time.

[Kaylia]

You could probably solo the whole floor if it's one min, or get close to it. Blizzaga usually do 20-25% dmg. With 10 targets, you will do 40% of that (~10%). Casting time is 5sec-6sec per aga, so you could land at least 8 during that time (3 with normal mp pool, and 4-5 on manafont). Toss ES+sleepga at 50sec just in case, and have melee finish the rest .
Thief could easily gather them, and PD is useless in arrapago.

Probably not worth the trouble tho. I think I will just have the thief pull both rampart and finish those, since they are the most time consuming mobs , especially if they are given tp.

[Wizerd]

You could probably solo the whole floor if it's one min, or get close to it. Blizzaga usually do 20-25% dmg. With 10 targets, you will do 40% of that (~10%). Casting time is 5sec-6sec per aga, so you could land at least 8 during that time (3 with normal mp pool, and 4-5 on manafont). Toss ES+sleepga at 50sec just in case, and have melee finish the rest .
Thief could easily gather them, and PD is useless in arrapago.

Probably not worth the trouble tho. I think I will just have the thief pull both rampart and finish those, since they are the most time consuming mobs , especially if they are given tp.

My more realistic plan is gonna be to gather up all of the single gears for the BLM, and let him solo them while the rest of the group kills the Triples. BLM with manafont and invincible can kill 4 of the gears easy enough I think.

[Vishnevskiy]

we had 7 people and easily cleared in 6min45sec >.>

[Wizerd]

we had 7 people and easily cleared in 6min45sec >.>

You also have pretty damn good gear if I'm not mistaken. Personally, my group is comprised of individuals who don't necessarily have all that gear. Only my wife and I have Black Belts and Shura Togis, in terms of our MNKs, for example. Usually she is on BRD for Storm Fife (or was until our other BRDs recently got it), and the person we have come for 2nd MNK has neither Togi nor Black Belt. Also, none of our WARs have Ridills and they seem to be too lazy to get Great Axe skill. -.-

Ideally, it'd be easy to clear in time, but realistically it's not unless your group is geared well. 2-3 pieces of gear can make or break that last 20 seconds you need to shave off, without some kinda creativity (like the BLM Invincible thing we're discussing).

[Meat]

we had 7 people and easily cleared in 6min45sec >.>

You also have pretty damn good gear if I'm not mistaken. Personally, my group is comprised of individuals who don't necessarily have all that gear. Only my wife and I have Black Belts and Shura Togis, in terms of our MNKs, for example. Usually she is on BRD for Storm Fife (or was until our other BRDs recently got it), and the person we have come for 2nd MNK has neither Togi nor Black Belt. Also, none of our WARs have Ridills and they seem to be too lazy to get Great Axe skill. -.-

Ideally, it'd be easy to clear in time, but realistically it's not unless your group is geared well. 2-3 pieces of gear can make or break that last 20 seconds you need to shave off, without some kinda creativity (like the BLM Invincible thing we're discussing).

find new wars

[Vishnevskiy]

we had 7 people and easily cleared in 6min45sec >.>

You also have pretty damn good gear if I'm not mistaken. Personally, my group is comprised of individuals who don't necessarily have all that gear. Only my wife and I have Black Belts and Shura Togis, in terms of our MNKs, for example. Usually she is on BRD for Storm Fife (or was until our other BRDs recently got it), and the person we have come for 2nd MNK has neither Togi nor Black Belt. Also, none of our WARs have Ridills and they seem to be too lazy to get Great Axe skill. -.-

Ideally, it'd be easy to clear in time, but realistically it's not unless your group is geared well. 2-3 pieces of gear can make or break that last 20 seconds you need to shave off, without some kinda creativity (like the BLM Invincible thing we're discussing).

Well the good gear is what gives us the power to do it with 7, just take 2 more people

This is what we did exactly to make sure we clear fast enough
Before we ported I told BRD to sing songs and as soon as I hit port i rounded 3 gears and MNKs hundred fist and destroy them as I brought more
Then had BLM manafont and take down the ramparts ASAP, it worked very well
We all ended up being close to max equip even though we did NW and SE of first floor with like 4 cell drops total ; ;

[divisortheory]

You could probably solo the whole floor if it's one min, or get close to it. Blizzaga usually do 20-25% dmg. With 10 targets, you will do 40% of that (~10%). Casting time is 5sec-6sec per aga, so you could land at least 8 during that time (3 with normal mp pool, and 4-5 on manafont). Toss ES+sleepga at 50sec just in case, and have melee finish the rest .
Thief could easily gather them, and PD is useless in arrapago.

Probably not worth the trouble tho. I think I will just have the thief pull both rampart and finish those, since they are the most time consuming mobs , especially if they are given tp.

I'm pretty sure the answer is no, but your casting won't get interrupted if you take 0 damage right? If that's right, Sleepga isn't even necessary just keep spamming -aga on them. After the first -ga lands melee can target a mob and just start fighting. Hate should stay on the BLM.

Edit: Scratch that. Maybe melee can help with a Rampart or Single Gear, but you definitely don't want a triple gear using Rail Cannon on a BLM.

[Soraan]

Clearing the entire floor doesn't include the 2 Ramparts off in the side rooms correct? I think wiki says they only pop after defeating the other mobs, but I never really paid attention to them.

[asnman]

Just what was initially present when you entered the floor, the 2 ramparts that pop after are not counted

[Soraan]

Cool. So 10 mobs (not including reinforcements) in 7 mins. 8 Gear(s) and 2 Ramparts. I'm honestly surprised no one has cleared the floor that fast before when people used to try big groups.

[NynJa]

Cool. So 10 mobs (not including reinforcements) in 7 mins. 8 Gear(s) and 2 Ramparts. I'm honestly surprised no one has cleared the floor that fast before when people used to try big groups.

this is arrapago, and when big groups in salvage were the norm, arrapago also only geared about 6 players.

[Kaylia]

I'm pretty sure the answer is no, but your casting won't get interrupted if you take 0 damage right? If that's right, Sleepga isn't even necessary just keep spamming -aga on them. After the first -ga lands melee can target a mob and just start fighting. Hate should stay on the BLM.

Edit: Scratch that. Maybe melee can help with a Rampart or Single Gear, but you definitely don't want a triple gear using Rail Cannon on a BLM.

Isn't Rail cannon is nulled by fanatic drink? I wouldnt be worried about tp move. 10tp per nuke isn't going to make them use WS WS beside the one that is getting punched by melee. The reason why I said to use sleepga after 50sec is that if they aren't dead, your party is going to get destroyed once invincible wear off. Gears at that point should be almost dead, so 1min30 should be enough to finish everything, or almost everything.

I kinda want to try this strategy in silversea on 4th floor. I wonder if the blm could take all 6 gears in 1 minute with manafont+ fanatic drink (manafont for mp pool, not interupt).

Cool. So 10 mobs (not including reinforcements) in 7 mins. 8 Gear(s) and 2 Ramparts. I'm honestly surprised no one has cleared the floor that fast before when people used to try big groups.

7min is doable, but honestly, it's quite fast and require a good coordination. Most group kill slower and played it safe.

[divisortheory]

Isn't Rail cannon is nulled by fanatic drink? I wouldnt be worried about tp move. 10tp per nuke isn't going to make them use WS WS beside the one that is getting punched by melee. The reason why I said to use sleepga after 50sec is that if they aren't dead, your party is going to get destroyed once invincible wear off. Gears at that point should be almost dead, so 1min30 should be enough to finish everything, or almost everything.

I guess it depends how many BLM you have. If you have 2 BLM, they could easily clear 4-5 mobs in 1 minute. Only one would need a fanatic's drink even. Would a nuke order like Blizzaga III > ES Thundaga III > Freeze II single target, Blizzard IV (different) single target > Blizzaga III be good? ES coupled with Thundaga III would counter the gears high resistance to Thunder based spells and probably make them land full damage. If the second BLM starts casting Blizzaga III right when first blm starts casting Thundaga III then second BLM will never get hate, plus it will mean single target Freeze II and Blizzard IV will probably kill 2 gears, then the next Blizzaga III will hit fewer targets so more powerful.



This is actually a pretty good idea in Silver Sea too, never thought of it there. especially if you have melee save TP on the previous floor, then they can just unload with WS on the gear train but hate will still never leave the BLM.


If you had like 4-5 BLM, you could probably just do the same thing on the entire rectangular room, clearing it out. Then you could camp in the far corner of the room, I think the gears go straight through without going around the edges.

[Kaylia]

Yeah, 2 blm can most likely do it easily, but we rarely have that many. I kinda curious how well it could works. Definitively gonna try next time I get the opportunity.

[Soraan]

this is arrapago, and when big groups in salvage were the norm, arrapago also only geared about 6 players.

Very true. Most arrapagos (as brd), I generally only have magic and ranged (sometimes HP if lucky on drops).

7min is doable, but honestly, it's quite fast and require a good coordination. Most group kill slower and played it safe.

Yah, that's true. I'm generally the puller in our Salvage group as BRD, so I try to not get any links and wait to pull when it's clear.

[Kaylia]

7min is doable, but honestly, it's quite fast and require a good coordination. Most group kill slower and played it safe.

Yah, that's true. I'm generally the puller in our Salvage group as BRD, so I try to not get any links and wait to pull when it's clear.

Dunno about your group, but we generally spent 9min on that floor. We zerged it last time with 2h, but ended up killing in 8min with 3 trees (had no brd tho). What I'm saying is that you probably won't do 7min unless you are actually trying to clear this floor in 7min with almost any group.
The first few pop were done by people who literally destroyed the zone (killed all archaic gears, rampart..etc), something that can't be done by most group out there.

[Wizerd]

Newbiest run ever today with my own group, didn't even manage to kill Chariot (timed out at 2%). People were being dumb, and horrible drop rates. 2 Deimos's Cuirasses..

Best run ever today with my JP group, 25min left after boss, and cleared 6F in 5min 25sec and killed those. No drops except shitty boss drops.

What the hell.