Absolute Virtue ~ 9/8/08

[HadesChubbs]

Been thinking about this myself. Seemed so much easier the first time around when we actually had less time to fart around with him because of the longer JoL. Still, if the AV depopping 2 hours after JoL is popped is not a mistake, I don't see how anyone's going to have the time to figure it out.

Thinking back on the JoL fights, there wasn't much that I could see since I wasn't in the ally, but the second one was definitely faster. Also, from what I heard on vent, the blms kept managing to cure it (the second one) with their nukes because it kept changing element mid-cast, and I'm wondering if that somehow pissed AV off. I can't really think of anything else that was different between the two JoLs, but something affected AV's mannerisms because it was like two different mobs the second time around.

I really am starting to think that JoL is really important here, and I never thought that before. Something has to tie those two mobs together.

I'm just as baffled about AV as I was before I went out to help yesterday, though. SE, why must you frustrate me so?

BLM curing was cause everyone was talking about AV, not paying attn to jol =P we cured first one a few times too.

[Therin]

Gonna call it now, the first time any LS actually locks/enfeebles AV (or whatever the term for this is now), they'll hit the two hour mark at ~10% life and it'll depop.

[Aksannyi]

BLM curing was cause everyone was talking about AV, not paying attn to jol =P we cured first one a few times too.

Haha, I didn't notice. I have shit outside party/ally filtered so all I knew was what you guys were saying on vent.

[HadesChubbs]

was the main problem keeping it from blms or just tanks going down too fast?

Actually survived (as a whole) 1 manafont. The other 1 or 2 got us eventually, but the last one we were prepaired for.

[Armanio]

was the main problem keeping it from blms or just tanks going down too fast?

Most of the time we had a PLD ready to replace a dead tank. BLM hate wasn't most of an issue until it used SV and charmed tanks. The main problem was when we had a tank down and it used Manafont.

[Linktri]

What are the elemental associations to each 2-hour?

I posted several possible strats on another site (several months ago) using this question as the basis for the strats. It proved to be generally accepted as total bullshit. No one could make a tie in with the two hour JA elements but here they are.

Benediction - Light
Call Wyvern - Light
Astral Flow - Light
Familiar - Light
Soul Voice - Light
Eagle Eye Shot - Lightning
Chainspell - Lightning
Hundred Fists - Lightning
Mighty Strikes - Fire
Mijin Gakure - Fire
Meikyo Shisui - Water
Manafont - Water
Blood Weapon - Dark
Invincible - Earth
Perfect Dodge - Wind

However now that things have changed (slightly), I'll suggest that perhaps exploiting skillchains and magic bursts to these elements on JOL when it's weak to them not only reduces AVs regen rate but perhaps reduces its ability to use these two hours? Probably doesn't keep him from doing them but maybe limits the number of times he can use them? So by spamming Level 3 light SC and Light magic (Banish, Holy, etc...) on the magic burst when JOL is weak to light might cause AV to lose it's ability to use Benediction, Call Wyvern, Astral Flow, Familiar and Soul Voice as it sees fit. Then, manafont aside, it should be zergable... maybe.

[Weeks]

Okay, a few questions I can't find the answer to, if you would be so kind:

How fast was it TPing without damage on it? TP at will, high regain, or just using TP moves because it was hitting the tanks relatively fast?
Has its fastcast been nerfed at all? More to the point, is there time for a PLD to change into an MDB setup during Aeroga IV?
Can it still charm through shadows after SV?
Is its evasion still ridiculously high? Did you have Feint on for the zerg attempts? Angon and Dia?

[HadesChubbs]

Okay, a few questions I can't find the answer to, if you would be so kind:

How fast was it TPing without damage on it? TP at will, high regain, or just using TP moves because it was hitting the tanks relatively fast?
Has its fastcast been nerfed at all? More to the point, is there time for a PLD to change into an MDB setup during Aeroga IV?
Can it still charm through shadows after SV?
Is its evasion still ridiculously high? Did you have Feint on for the zerg attempts? Angon and Dia?

TP: fast, once every.. 8-10s?

Fast Cast: yeah, its pretty fast, idk if they'd have time

Charm: yep its through shadows

Eva: dunno only used sam for sc once, both his ws landed

[Weeks]

Thanks for the bad news.

[Fridell]

The key to win AV is to have Aksannyi get all gear she dont have in the sig! o.o

[Linktri]

<-AV makes me do this.

[TB]

I'd laugh if all this time killing JoL faster made AV harder. <.<

1. Hold JoL at 1% until 1:55h passed
2. Kill JoL
3. AV pops with 1000 HP
4. Throw some nukes
5. Profit?

[LakshmiToralyn]

From the fight I saw they had 2 tanks on it only and it was TPing considerably fast. 1 TP move every 8-15 seconds.

It did not cast/tp during hundred fists.

[Aksannyi]

The key to win AV is to have Aksannyi get all gear she dont have in the sig! o.o

LOL! Buy me some!

[Charismatic]

LOL! Buy me some!

I'll be your sugar daddy

[Fridell]

LOL! Buy me some!

You can buy Marduk Dastanas stuff for 50k, for my Salvage team they act like BST relic o.o

[Aksannyi]

I used to do Salvage but my group server hopped ... yeah that was kinda gay. I have a smattering of 15's and one lucky 35 from that time, but nothing to complete a full piece.

As far as the abjurations, well. Pretty obvious I'm not in an HNM shell yet.

Bravura just looked pretty in the sig.

[Katlan]

So to sum everything up, AV's AI hasn't changed... he just has much less hp now?
And here I thought SE was going to do some ground breaking things w/yesterday's patch... seems the gear scaling is very simplistic and now AV/PW just have lower hp values and have remained unchanged outside of this (though I don't think any have tried PW yet, but I'd imagine his lamps have much less hp - allowing you to kill each form in 1/4th the time)

[Starr]

Seems to be the case, what about PW?... noone tried it?

[Stanislav]

was the main problem keeping it from blms or just tanks going down too fast?

I don't think any BLM actually died during the fights aside from Meteor itself. Holding hate wasn't the problem and tanking wasn't a problem till more people showed up and Blink tanking became very hard due to slow macro response. Aegis PLD is completely fine on this if you have no lag around, and all Aero spells are a joke to manage, however regular PLD got worked by spells.