Gunslinger's Renkei Chart- Aden's chart revisited, expanded!

**Gunslinger** · 10-23-2008 09:41 AM

UPDATE: By popular request, I've linked to a PDF (standard size) and poster-sized PDF version below.

Those of you following the other thread have already given me a lot of very nice input on this, but it was time for me to stop thread-jacking Psymia's space and move this into its own topic.

Change Log:

Spoiler: show

Previous changes can be found in the old thread (although, I don't know why you'd be interested since this is the current working version!

As always, any input, corrections, etc, are appreciated and I will update them as soon as possible.

Standard Size WS Chart PDF

Poster Size WS Chart PDF

**Tymon** · 10-23-2008 09:43 AM

This is really nice. Saved.

**Indalecia** · 10-23-2008 09:57 AM

Fuck yeah, thanks.

**Aquilla** · 10-23-2008 10:00 AM

woohoo! Thanks

**Kriz** · 10-23-2008 10:05 AM

Catastrophe is under Staff!

**Keyln** · 10-23-2008 10:09 AM

I love it! 'bout time someone updated that chart.

**Gunslinger** · 10-23-2008 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Kriz

Catastrophe is under Staff!

Just trying to give some love to the

!

Fixed it, thanks

Reloaded in the OP, will just keep updating the OP since this has its own thread now.

**fndragon** · 10-23-2008 10:27 AM

Can I humbly request for some color differentiation between level 1 and level 2 skillchains? Right now they're colored the same and it's impossible to go from a lv 2 back to a lv 1, hence some easy visual is needed.

**Miraun** · 10-23-2008 10:28 AM

Missing A, B, C for priority on some of the PUP WSs... don't think it matters much though

**Miraun** · 10-23-2008 10:29 AM

And Thanks, by the way

**Valkrish** · 10-23-2008 10:36 AM

this is awesome.

**Gunslinger** · 10-23-2008 10:38 AM

fndragon- if you want to give me an example of what you mean/want (MSPaint is fine) I'll take it into consideration. I thought the one-way arrows and names-on-arrows method worked pretty well, but I'm always open to input!

Miraun- you're welcome

, I'm doing it for myself too, since I only play melee jobs. If you want to make a list of A, B, and C properties for PUP WS's I'll add them. When I was originally adding them I had assigned A, B, and C; but upon analyzing the chart I found they weren't really needed since they didn't have an opportunity to use the priority (with the only exception I could find being Knockout, Detonation / Scission, I think). If I'm missing something and it's important to get in there, please let me know! I know next to nothing about pup WS and was using otherwiki, which I rarely trust.

I think there's probably a bit of useless elemental tagging in the chart as it was, but I just tried to copy it verbatim, then started working on updates/upgrades. Any changes that people would like to see / are logical I'd be happy to make (but it helps if you tell me specifically where to put it ^^ 'Ex: Reverberation, Scythe, 30 Dark Harvest, add "A", etc')

**isladar** · 10-23-2008 10:43 AM

Brilliant, just have to make Tempyst download and memorize this for me.

**Seraph** · 10-23-2008 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by Gunslinger

fndragon- if you want to give me an example of what you mean/want (MSPaint is fine) I'll take it into consideration. I thought the one-way arrows and names-on-arrows method worked pretty well, but I'm always open to input!

I think he means taking the background color blocks you placed in the upper right section (the four Lv2 Skillchain groups making Darkness and Light) and placing them behind the Lv 2 Skillchain arrows in the lower two-thirds of the chart. The Old Example (Left) below being what you have now, and the New Example (Right) being what I assumed you could add.

That's pretty much literally the only improvement I can think of.

**Izzy** · 10-23-2008 10:51 AM

Awesome! Nice to see an updated chart using the same layout. I still wonder if there's some way you could make it cosmetically look a bit nicer. Ayden's still seems much eaiser to read to me, but I'll definitely be using yours for now on!

**Cesaria** · 10-23-2008 11:04 AM

Awesome - now if only my printer wasn't buggered.

**Asura_Zilla** · 10-23-2008 11:24 AM

/Saved. Thanks a lot!!

**Xanthe** · 10-23-2008 11:36 AM

Excellent updates. Maybe increase the transparency a bit on the background colors? You can barely see the watermark images in some sections. I think it's also redundant to say "Zilart Relic" since Relic on its own denotes Dynamis WSs, and Mythic denotes Nyzul. For consistancy I would just refer to them as "Relic WS" and "Mythic WS", and drop the "Zilart Relic" portion of the title entirely from the Light and Darkness sections. The brakets on their own will denote Relic vs standard WSs. The background image transparency could also be reduced a little (opacity increased) for those two sections to increase visibility.

**Darkyrm** · 10-23-2008 11:44 AM

Awesome, Ive allways used Aden Charts and loved it so really great to have an update.

**fndragon** · 10-23-2008 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Seraph

I think he means taking the background color blocks you placed in the upper right section (the four Lv2 Skillchain groups making Darkness and Light) and placing them behind the Lv 2 Skillchain arrows in the lower two-thirds of the chart. The Old Example (Left) below being what you have now, and the New Example (Right) being what I assumed you could add.

That's pretty much literally the only improvement I can think of.

^ This is what I had in mind. Just some visual separation.

**BeeMan** · 10-23-2008 12:00 PM

Nice job ^_^ thanks.... printed and posted next to monitor.

**nekura** · 10-23-2008 12:07 PM

Sweet chart, time to print it out on work printers!

**Stiker** · 10-23-2008 12:14 PM

Good work! Gonna keep my eye on this to see the updates you make!

**Gunslinger** · 10-23-2008 12:48 PM

Alright, lots of good stuff in here

V1.6 is up in the OP. Change for 1.6:

-Fixed 2nd instance of Trueflight as "Archery" that I missed before
-New Light and Darkness image samples (thanks Radec for the source images)
-Level 2 skillchain boxes to help easily find them / identify
-Removal of "Zilart Relic," etc
-Increase opacity of Level 3 boxes to help balance the page, to assist with readability I played with the gradients to try to make a "half and half" split down the boxes... I don't know if it's hard for everyone else to read on the color change, but it was a bit tough for me.
-Played with the opacity of some of the watermark images, seems to be hard to increase their opacity without making it a bit harder to read... may play with it again in the future.

**Seraph** · 10-23-2008 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Gunslinger

-New Light and Darkness image samples (thanks Radec for the source images)
-Level 2 skillchain boxes to help easily find them / identify

Awesome, exactly what I was looking for. This is very easy for me to read, and definately printable. Fantastic job.

**ronin sparthos** · 10-23-2008 01:10 PM

Awesome stuff, its good to see an expansion on the old Renkei chart.

**Xanthe** · 10-23-2008 01:22 PM

Mmm, now this is looking really good. The background color and watermark balance is spot on. Also digging the new Light/Darkness icons. Kudos to Radec for providing those. Excellent work!

**Heywood** · 10-23-2008 01:29 PM

"Invalid Attachment specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator."

I get that message when trying to download 1.6, anyone else or is it just me?

nvmd, workin now

**Gunslinger** · 10-23-2008 01:32 PM

Sorry, probably get that when I do revisions without saying anything ^^; Have to take the old file down and put the new one up- Radec found a few more things, think it's about done on the typos... maybe :3

**Kittyn** · 10-23-2008 02:04 PM

I love it! Thanks!

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