Pandemonium Warden attempt on Remora - (Jan. 2nd) PW killed on Page 17

[Demosthenes11]

Cool SAM weapon and all but what I want to know is A) How did they handle the lamps? and B) How did they handle the Astral Flow mess without logging out?

good story and all, bro, but A) have you ever fought PW and B) have you ever read a PW thread.

[ringthree]

Though of course, the actual cap on the weapon itself would be 99.75% rather than 95%

I don't think Zanshin can proc on DA, so it would be lower than that right?

[Zilong]

I don't think Zanshin can proc on DA, so it would be lower than that right?

Wasn't taking DA into account, but Zanshin and DA isn't exactly the best of buddies, since if one proc, the other won't.

[Gtype954]

When you master PW to a point where he becomes another "kirin", could you post maybe a stream of PW from beginning to end killing him.
That would be pretty neat. Also, Noone made any mention of Dorje. Whats the weapon like?

[Narse]

When you master PW to a point where he becomes another "kirin", could you post maybe a stream of PW from beginning to end killing him.
That would be pretty neat. Also, Noone made any mention of Dorje. Whats the weapon like?

Just what it looks like, unfortunately. Under normal circumstances, it won't outdamage HQ staves on a BLM, but to my understanding it may under certain day/weather conditions, and for SCH it will be the most damage.

[Kaeko]

Just what it looks like, unfortunately. Under normal circumstances, it won't outdamage HQ staves on a BLM, but to my understanding it may under certain day/weather conditions, and for SCH it will be the most damage.

If your char has more than +67 MAB (includes traits, gear, BLM merits), HQ staves will outdamage Dorje. Under, Dorje will do more. Unless there are hidden damage mods on Dorje of course.

Also, HQ staves are somewhere between 20 and 30 MACC, the number escapes me at the moment, so you lose that too.

[Marcicus]

So, unless I'm mistaken, only a maxed out BLM with pendant latent is going to benefit more from HQ staves?

edit: Forgot Sorc's Ring. :/

[TummieGaruda]

If your char has more than +67 MAB (includes traits, gear, BLM merits), HQ staves will outdamage Dorje. Under, Dorje will do more. Unless there are hidden damage mods on Dorje of course.

Also, HQ staves are somewhere between 20 and 30 MACC, the number escapes me at the moment, so you lose that too.

Sounds about right, since Staff Bonus is calculated before MAB vs mob MDB. In a situation where a player has a total of 67 MAB before equipping Dorje, HQ staves win by about 0.03% in damage. Anything less than that, Dorje wins, but at the cost of giving up the Magic Acc associated with the staff.

Correct me if I am wrong but I believe for SCH with the same day/element/weather/obi, it appears to be the same, where Dorje will out damage HQ staves up until the point where the player has 67 MAB. At that point HQ staves will do more damage

So just looking at potential damage and disregarding M.ACC and looking at total MAB before equipping Dorje:

0 - 66 MAB -> Dorje
67+ MAB -> HQ Staves

[Tricen]

So, unless I'm mistaken, only a maxed out BLM with pendant latent is going to benefit more from HQ staves?

Opposed to using Dorje, is what I think he is saying.

[Kaeko]

So, unless I'm mistaken, only a maxed out BLM with pendant latent is going to benefit more from HQ staves?

Only need 67 MAB, so for a BLM:

Basic gear most 75 BLMs can get.

Traits: +32
Moldy Earring: +5
Vicious Mufflers / NQ Zenith: +5
NQ Weskit: +6
Merits: +10 (Assuming you're nuking Ice/Thunder 90% of your nukes)

That's +58 with just ultra basic gear. Only 9 off to make HQ staves more useful. If you add Uggy it's 1 MAB off.

If you add in the Sorc Ring Proc +10 MAB then HQ staves will win even with basic gear. You can also add HQ zenith mitts and a Novio Earring to make Dorje Obsolete.

While not everyone has access to HQ gear or a Novio Earring, even less have access to a Dorje, so if you're actually able to get a Dorje, you should be able to get more than enough gear to make it obsolete.

(Unless hidden effects are present)

[shuyjin]

^^^ i read kaeko's stuff and can't help but grin in amazement.... you know more about black magic than i know about 1st grade math. And yea its gonna be crazy if there is a latent effect that could possibly make HQ staves obsolete. But what can it be? +25 MAB with a latent of more MAB? that would be odd so idk. still once again grats on the kill and that swordish looking great katana.

[Virtuous Saint]

Tested Dorje and there is no hidden potency, also tested for hidden macc, and it appears to have nothing hidden about it. Tried for hidden perpetuation also, which there is none.

[Knyghtmayre]

Apparently it being a waste of a drop is the hidden effect? Who knew.

[Virtuous Saint]

Best possible MB damage build appears to make Dorje>HQ staves (straight damage wise), but that is about it. Ya it is better for SCH tho, slightly.
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[Kaeko]

Best possible MB damage build appears to make Dorje>HQ staves (straight damage wise), but that is about it. Ya it is better for SCH tho, slightly.
FFXIGEAR.com

If only it had +25MAB to pets =/

[Virtuous Saint]

If only it had +25MAB to pets =/

Tested that too for the hell of it.

[Kerberoz]

Best possible MB damage build appears to make Dorje>HQ staves (straight damage wise), but that is about it. Ya it is better for SCH tho, slightly.
FFXIGEAR.com

Nope; you're forgetting +10 MAB from merits. Assuming for "best" MB you're using thunder or ice.

[Malacite]

Even if it is 100% Zanshin, I'd still take Futsuno, Amano or Koga over this thing.

Amano allows for unlimited level 2 skill chains (as long as you have TP) and a 2nd light chain. Futsuno facilitates a 4-hit build (with COR in the PT) and Koga allows for just retarded WS spamming. Not that this is a bad GKT in the least (it's certainly the coolest looking) but it's outclassed by the aforementioned weapons. Keep in mind 100% Zanshin does not = 100% accuracy, just means you get to swing again if you should miss.

[Starr]

Keep in mind 100% Zanshin does not = 100% accuracy, just means you get to swing again if you should miss.

sigh

[Maxxthepenguin]

Even if it is 100% Zanshin, I'd still take Futsuno, Amano or Koga over this thing.

Amano allows for unlimited level 2 skill chains (as long as you have TP) and a 2nd light chain. Futsuno facilitates a 4-hit build (with COR in the PT) and Koga allows for just retarded WS spamming. Not that this is a bad GKT in the least (it's certainly the coolest looking) but it's outclassed by the aforementioned weapons. Keep in mind 100% Zanshin does not = 100% accuracy, just means you get to swing again if you should miss.

100%-(5%)^2 is 99.75%. You'll have 99.75% effective accuracy for non-DA melee hits.

So, it's not quite 100% effective accuracy...but really, come on.