"The value of relics/mythics"

[Sai]

It seems pretty unfair you'd get on my case about not having a Star Ring. I mean really, that's nitpicking something so miniscule when I've already got a pretty decent hMP setup.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y22...hyuro/hmp1.jpg

It's +36 hMP from gear alone, and I'll be surprised if you find more than a handful of ppl who actually bother to get this much. Star rings are of course, an upgrade I'll need to get eventually and that's more than fine, a person always needs goals - even after finishing a relic/mythic.

[frodnonnag]

It seems pretty unfair you'd get on my case about not having a Star Ring. I mean really, that's nitpicking something so miniscule when I've already got a pretty decent hMP setup.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y22...hyuro/hmp1.jpg

It's +36 hMP from gear alone, and I'll be surprised if you find more than a handful of ppl who actually bother to get this much. Star rings are of course, an upgrade I'll need to get eventually and that's more than fine, a person always needs goals - even after finishing a relic/mythic.

you are missing what? 2 on rings, 1 on cape, 1 on legs?

Spoiler: show

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/531...0305185500.png

i beat you by 3, but i think cap for both whm and smn is +40

[Fiendishone]

Currently taking donations on Sylph in the form of Alexandrites to fund my Hand Held Cannon!

Then I will gladly give all the info everyone wants for Death Penalty!

[Kenji]

Kenji, what you're suggesting is stupid. I'm sorry to tell you this, but your argument is flawed. If a WHM could wear multiple items (Aka 5 Capes or w/e), then you might have a point, but the fact is that a few MP cannot outweigh what Yagrush offers. Yagrush is in itself a WHM update. It offers a unique, yet relevant ability that will be utilized often. For a WHM of his or her skill, what does 20MP have to offer? What does 2% Cure Potency have to offer? Some of the items you mentioned are important enough to precede Yagrush, but most of what you posted is simply "For show" gear in comparison to the benefits of Yagrush.

You may want to look into something that people in the real world use, called a "Cost-Benefit Analysis." I'll leave you to your research, except to add this point: I never said it was a bad weapon. I'll let you figure out the rest.

Furthermore, what is the point of asking if he or she has other 75s? It's his or her gil to spend. Not to mention, WHM is probably the best Mythic weapon to obtain considering how disappointing the other weapons have been. Even if that weren't the case, the original point still stands: It's Sai's gil. There's no argument beyond that point.

While that is very true, if someone doesn't have something to work for, strive towards, they will get bored with the game. FFXI deals with this in two ways: drop rates and job change. So, someone will eventually level another job, once they get everything for one job. There are, of course, exceptions. And for most jobs, there's a better item to work for, over WHM. Something that returns more value.

Ok Kenji, enjoy your 5 mil hMP+1, shows where your priorities lie. Then again, the 90 mil (or whatever) enhanced Divine Veil effect will have a greater overall gain mp wise than the 5 mil hMP+1 from all the erasega's, stonaga's casted

Actually, it will lead to more mp spent, as they try to remove every single status, then find themselves low on mp when someone needs cures. And if you're not trying to remove every single status, you're not taking advantage of the weapon, are you?

It seems pretty unfair you'd get on my case about not having a Star Ring. I mean really, that's nitpicking something so miniscule when I've already got a pretty decent hMP setup.

Don't misunderstand, I'm not getting on your case for lacking a star ring or two. But I do wonder, if you and your LS has that kind of cash to assist, you didn't go for a ghorn instead. So, you feel yagrush is better than a ghorn?

Can I join your LS and have them help me upgrade a claustraum? I wanna trick out my BLM's physical attack damage, and it sounds like they'd help with that. Or maybe my Murgleis, because I don't have anything left to get for my RDM?

I kid, I kid. Congrats on your club!

[Lampoon]

Any PLD worth their shit can do 99% of the shit in this game just as well with a Koenig Shield as they can with an Aegis. (the 1% being shit like soloing ODS and other retarded bullshit)

Any PLD worth their shit can NOT do beastly add effects to add to the already awesome aspect of PLD DD tanking.

Aegis is cool and all but it only changes your PLD drastically if you suck ass at PLD. Excalibur is pretty beast all around. Still wouldn't upgrade either.

A PLD who knows what they're doing indeed can tank just as effectively with Koenig, but that makes the PLD with Aegis even that much better. Just like with Kikoku, it improves on what you have learned/obtained as a player. Obviously.

a PLD with Excalibur and Koenig/Kaiser will not do as effectively as PLD with Joyeuse/Aegis combo, nor will it have a higher survivability in an HNM situation.

Aegis simply allows you replace the gear with other things like Enmity+/Resist/HP, if you will, in the slots where your Shield+/MDB were. And even then, the block rate w/o Shield+ is mediocre at best. I've seen PLD with Reprisal block more than PLD with Aegis.

As for upgrading Excalibur before Aegis, I would recommend doing Aegis first.

[GeneJackit]

Aristocrat's coat - check
Full HQ Blessed - check
Roundel Earring - check
Full HQ staves - check
Full Marduk - check

I'm only missing the star ring, but I have very little desire to get one and the supply of them is very small. I had nothing else to purchase, and I was lucky enough to get 2 speed belts from KS99 in a very short span of time which paid for almost all of it, the rest of the Alexandrites were donated to me free by my LS to help me out (it was their own choice to do this).

I have very little desire to level anything else. I love WHM by heart, and I've enjoyed reading some of your posts regarding your opinion on Yagrush. You're obviously entitled to your own opinion, but I thought I'd let you know that I did not in fact have much of anything else to buy which is why I went ahead and went for this. I can also assure you that my others jobs are all very well geared, I didn't sell any of my equipment to fund this.

If you look at the screenshot of Carol (The other JP WHM who's close to finishing) you'll see that she also has full HQ blessed, along with roundel earring and I'm sure she needs next to nothing in terms of WHM gear. The other WHM in my LS who's about to finish Yagrush in about a week or two, has more HQ gear than even I do so he was in the same situation as me when he decided to start working on it.

You're free to argue that SCH can perform just as well, or that the upcoming Esuna spell will negate some of the usefulness of Yagrush. I won't deny that in a capable player, SCH or possibly Esuna might showcase enough performance to challenge Yagrush. But at the same time, a capable WHM with Yagrush will no doubt do very well and will exceed what SCH/Esuna can do. The bottom line for me, was that Yagrush was a huge upgrade for WHM and as I've stated earlier, there was nothing else for me to purchase to benefit the one job I play in FFXI the most.

congrats, honestly, it is cool that you got (what appears to be an awesome weapon) my only question would be: What now?

I guess it is a general question. What does one do in this game once you have everything you want? Does the luster fade once you have the item? It kinda goes back to the cliche that the fun is in the journey and not the destination.

I am in no way, shape, or form gonna be working towards a mythic or relic, so my perspective is as an outsider to this side of the end game community. Basically, I guess, to all the people w/ the super rare weapons and armors...what now?

[Yugl]

You may want to look into something that people in the real world use, called a "Cost-Benefit Analysis." I'll leave you to your research, except to add this point: I never said it was a bad weapon. I'll let you figure out the rest.

Sorry, but this isn't the "real world", this is FFXI. I hope you can understand that there is leeway for the "fun" factor or the "Let me do what I want with my gil" factor. In addition, the benefits of a LS having Yagrush outweighs the LS having another G-Horn or Aegis PLD. Even if they don't have any those in the LS, it's still Sai's gil. Quite frankly cost-benefit analysis is a ridiculously stupid point to bring up in this conversation.

While that is very true, if someone doesn't have something to work for, strive towards, they will get bored with the game. FFXI deals with this in two ways: drop rates and job change. So, someone will eventually level another job, once they get everything for one job. There are, of course, exceptions. And for most jobs, there's a better item to work for, over WHM. Something that returns more value.

Well guess what? He doesn't have everything for WHM if he doesn't have Yagrush! See? I used your logic to reject your point.

Maybe he doesn't want to level another job or feels that he'll get more enjoyment out of Mythic WHM than other classes. This mythic weapon clearly has more return value than any of the other ones we have seen.

Furthermore, leveling and obtaining a mythic for another class is fucking pointless in your world. Why? Well lets look back on your argument.

1. It has to have the best return value (Which is subject to opinion since most would agree that Yagrush is pretty fucking impressive)

2. The player has to have every slot maxed out with the best piece of gear

By your expectations, Sai should:

1. Level DRK/BRD/PLD (Get the "Best" returns on the weapon v cost), which in itself costs a truck ton of money and time

2. Get the best gear possible for each, which again costs a lot of money and takes time

3. Max merits for whichever class is chosen (This is pretty much universal expectation, not necessarily yours alone)

The problem with your argument?

1. It's time consuming and boring

2. It's not what the player wants to do

3. It will take even more gil (Sai mentioned that his LS helped to fund the Yagrush remember?)

[Darkslitter]

what now?

Now you think about your friends and the people who helped you. They want stuff too, and have waited while you got yours. Some of the most memorable moments are when friends get stuff and flip out on vent. I remember a person who I no longer talk to's m.body (lolm.body i know) drop more than I remember my own duelist chapeau. Also, this game is not fun enough by itself to run around on a pimped out account doing random things. The fun lies in playing with your linkshell and dicking around with them. There will always be more things to finish in this game, (finish another craft to 100, finish a job to 75, or try and get gear that was just released) but honestly having that job, craft, or gear isn't necessarily going to bring enjoyment. I'd much rather spend a day in sea with a group where we all try to mpk each other than spend a day lvling up another job. Also, I read bg for the drama/retards/lols.

[The Stig]

congrats, honestly, it is cool that you got (what appears to be an awesome weapon) my only question would be: What now?

I guess it is a general question. What does one do in this game once you have everything you want?

Now you (we) can finally play the game! =D


/southpark

[Shinta]

While that is very true, if someone doesn't have something to work for, strive towards, they will get bored with the game. FFXI deals with this in two ways: drop rates and job change. So, someone will eventually level another job, once they get everything for one job. There are, of course, exceptions. And for most jobs, there's a better item to work for, over WHM. Something that returns more value.

What has more value than a Yagrush? I'm really curious to hear this one.

Actually, it will lead to more mp spent,

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as they try to remove every single status, then find themselves low on mp when someone needs cures. And if you're not trying to remove every single status, you're not taking advantage of the weapon, are you?

I think you're the only shitty player that doesn't already try to remove every status effect from their tank. My tank doesn't have any status effects on them, by doing what I normally do, for the exact same MP cost, I now get 6x the benefit and erase it from the entire party. Making any kind of argument that it actually costs more MP is the epitome of complete stupidity. That's like saying a RDM is less MP efficient because they have Fast cast, so they'll just automatically start casting more spells, thus run out of MP faster than if they didn't have Fast Cast....if you're not casting more spells you aren't taking full advantage of the Fast Cast right? Or, SCH nukes get a MP cost reduction, so naturally they will nuke more because it's cheaper, thus running out of MP faster than BLM in the end. It's pretty much the stupidest argument I think I have ever, ever, ever heard.

Don't misunderstand, I'm not getting on your case for lacking a star ring or two. But I do wonder, if you and your LS has that kind of cash to assist, you didn't go for a ghorn instead. So, you feel yagrush is better than a ghorn?

You're a god damn idiot, really. I'm ready to put your character under a microscope and start picking away at what you've spent your gil on. If you paid for anything that's not a ghorn, I think you just failed your own "cost-benefit analysis."

Can I join your LS and have them help me upgrade a claustraum? I wanna trick out my BLM's physical attack damage, and it sounds like they'd help with that. Or maybe my Murgleis, because I don't have anything left to get for my RDM?

wtf-ever. I seriously doubt you'd ever be able to upgrade anything like that. To compare Yagrush to Claustrum even as a joke shows how completely you fail to see the value of the weapon. So far, Yagrush is easily the best mythic weapon, Claustrum is easily the worst relic weapon. This is so basic and obvious to everyone else, yet somehow you still miss it.

[Valisk]

Any PLD worth their shit can do 99% of the shit in this game just as well with a Koenig Shield as they can with an Aegis. (the 1% being shit like soloing ODS and other retarded bullshit)

Koenig Shield pld can solo ODS btw.

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/67322...elic-solo.html

[rezn0r]

Don't misunderstand, I'm not getting on your case for lacking a star ring or two. But I do wonder, if you and your LS has that kind of cash to assist, you didn't go for a ghorn instead. So, you feel yagrush is better than a ghorn?

dude are you serious? he/she said they play WHM the most, they obviously like the job the most. there's a reason people (who don't have their heads up their asses) always say do whatever makes things the most fun for you - this guy loves WHM so he made the smart choice for a mythic. do you have PLD or BRD leveled, and do you have an aegis or the horn? if you don't then why don't you go level them and upgrade one of those relics. that's exactly what you're saying to him; and if you do have one of those, then what exactly are you trying to argue with Sai for?

I kid, I kid. Congrats on your club!

you aren't kidding, if anything you sound jealous. maybe you were just fooling around, i don't know, the tone of crap gets lost through text. i agree though, congrats on the club!

[Valisk]

Offically requesting a Blacklist feature for these forums. Kenji is getting out of hand.

[Issac]

Offically requesting a Blacklist feature for these forums. Kenji is getting out of hand.

There is one
http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/profi...?do=ignorelist

[Valisk]

Oh shit lol, never knew that.

[Unstable]

The main advantage of Aegis -25% magic

2 PLD/NINs can keep hate pinged so never take DMG on most endgame monsters

[antihero]

2 PLD/NINs can keep hate pinged so never take DMG on most endgame monsters

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lol


and whoever said you can replace your shield skill on PLD once you get Aegis
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/6771/sdafj.jpg
no way in hell are you capping block rate on level 90+ HNMs, me and any of the other Aegis PLDs on here will tell you that, except maybe Tekki, he dies/delevels to Tiamat and doesn't afraid of anything

[Charismatic]

What exactly would you be replacing it with in your "OH SH-" or Ichi macros anyway?

[S N K]

Offically requesting a Blacklist feature for these forums. Kenji is getting out of hand.

I just Blacklisted him also. His arguement is getting retarded.

[Unstable]

Ya even with Aegis you need 310+ Shield Skill for Tiamat