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  1. #14081
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    Quote Originally Posted by NynJa View Post
    I still dont get how WSDMG+2 from atoyac is better than WSDMG+5 from sandung consisering it doesnt need you to pull an extra 60 acc out of your ass. Can someone explain the math or reasoning? I get atoy has 12(? From phone) dex, is that really worth that much of having to have to compensate for 60 acc when not Rudraing?
    If I had to take a guess, it's the combined 12 DEX and the fact that even one extra hit before a Rudra's (more tp) makes that big of a difference in damage, because of how well Rudra's scales from 1000-2000 tp.

    But somebody else who is more mathematically inclined would have to give you a more concrete answer.

    I can tell you for sure that the reason Sushi/Delve Fodder set wins over Acc/RCB sets (that I've tried anyways), is any single STP you take off in place of acc drops your dps by a large amount. STP is absolutely fucking broken for THF atm because of Rudra's scaling.

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    OAT can't proc on WS, but it will let you WS more often as long as you can still hit the monster. As for Sandung vs. Atoyac, assuming you start with about 280 DEX and mainhand Izhiikoh, then Atoyac's 12 DEX represents about a 3% increase in WS damage. 1.03*1.02 ~= 1.05 Also, the DEX affects all swings of the WS while the WS damage only affects the first. I don't remember if DEX was an option, but would probably be better overall to augment your Atoyac with 8 DEX than 2% WS damage.

  3. #14083

    +stat augments are only on gear, Bryth.
    For G1weapon: +30acc, +30Macc, OAT
    So perhaps an acc augment instead of the OAT?
    For those concerned with the acc disparity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaeQueenCory View Post
    +stat augments are only on gear, Bryth.
    For G1weapon: +30acc, +30Macc, OAT
    So perhaps an acc augment instead of the OAT?
    For those concerned with the acc disparity.
    I would think OAT + 15 acc from Hurkan's KI would be a better tradeoff, for those concerned with accuracy.

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    STP might be worth a look too considering how much Rudra's has shaken things up.

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    Given the skew towards ws dmg is Mandau even that good for main hand? With uncapped acc might not something like Izhiikoh/acc Sabebus be better than mandua/Izhiikoh or hell even without considering the acc has dex and you'd be mainhanding a weapon with 17 more base dmg. Or maybe vanir knife or Levante dagger

  7. #14087

    RelicODD.... I thought it could proc on WSs since it's not AM...
    Have I misremembered that?

    Ah. My mistake. Then yes, given the push towards WS/SCdmg over "white" damage... Mandau certainly got punched in the nads, didn't it?

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    Relic doesnt.

  9. #14089
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    Quote Originally Posted by dasva View Post
    Given the skew towards ws dmg is Mandau even that good for main hand? With uncapped acc might not something like Izhiikoh/acc Sabebus be better than mandua/Izhiikoh or hell even without considering the acc has dex and you'd be mainhanding a weapon with 17 more base dmg. Or maybe vanir knife or Levante dagger
    Maybe, like I said before I don't currently do things that are above Tojil level so I haven't bothered messing with that. I'll mess with different augments on atoyac later and see if that changes anything.

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    Double post, but relevant:

    On Tojil using same sets as before, inputting Jugo Kukri +1 with the additional effect damage at 10 (I'm sure that's lowballing) and swapping out Bleating Mantle for Letalis Mantle (the least impactful acc gear swap thus far) and switching to RCB; DPS shoots to 1290. Izhii/Jugo +1

    So that beats any configuration I've found with Izhii/Atoyac. Mandau is still shit.

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    how about NQ jugo? I'll be honest. I'm far too lazy to farm 50 w/e for thf. If the nq completely phases oat dagger out as well, that's gewd enuff 4 me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Limlight View Post
    how about NQ jugo? I'll be honest. I'm far too lazy to farm 50 w/e for thf. If the nq completely phases oat dagger out as well, that's gewd enuff 4 me.
    Well you'd get some just going for NQ... and you can buy the rest for a high price!

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    I have this inner hatred for thief back from the 04 days and my rl friend making me get into SATA position on drk and nearly killing me for 45 levels.... So that's my stupid justification for not +1'ing the dagger!

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    Finished Ard's Idris. GEO army go!

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    inb4 6 Idris pts destroying everything with mad debuffs lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by dasva View Post
    inb4 6 Idris pts destroying everything with mad debuffs lol
    Want this to happen so badly. 5x Geo and a Whm, 1 /Rdm, rest /Dnc with... Fury, Precision, Haste, Torpor, Frailty, Wilt, Barrier, Acumen, Malaise, and Refresh. Replace Wilt/Barrier with Fade, Fend, Focus, and Languor as needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malithar View Post
    Want this to happen so badly. 5x Geo and a Whm, 1 /Rdm, rest /Dnc with... Fury, Precision, Haste, Torpor, Frailty, Wilt, Barrier, Acumen, Malaise, and Refresh. Replace Wilt/Barrier with Fade, Fend, Focus, and Languor as needed.
    The flash novas would be real

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    Thanks Piglei (Scrooge McDerp) and all the golden girls we still troll round this ghost town we call Shiva!

    (GO HAWKS!)


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    Congratulations on this momentous occasion of gil wasting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flight_93 View Post
    Thanks Piglei (Scrooge McDerp) and all the golden girls we still troll round this ghost town we call Shiva!

    (GO HAWKS!)

    still confused whenever you post, didn't you sell your account?

    recall or something?

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