Famitsu - Creating a Monster: Pandemonium Warden

[Narse]

I have better SSs on my laptop, as I'm generally on it when doing AV, but here's a pic my girlfriend took on this PC when we were doing it recently. I got one that is showing actual % and that has a /clock in the log, but I don't feel like breaking out the laptop to post it. Perhaps I'll do it while I'm at work later today.

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http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/468...0627211944.jpg

[TummieGaruda]

Several Ls know how to lock 2hrs. Also, it is in the video.

Last I heard is that LS's couldn't lock all 15, but could lock at least 12 with a certain method. I don't know if the method I heard was true, but I do know that LS's are trying to keep it a secret until they get the first kill or until everything is ironed out. People want credit and aren't going to share because if their method gets used to take it down AV, that group won't get credited for the Kill, and only the LS who killed it will be remembered, so I can understand the secrecy to a point...

[Kipling]

I have better SSs on my laptop, as I'm generally on it when doing AV, but here's a pic my girlfriend took on this PC when we were doing it recently. I got one that is showing actual % and that has a /clock in the log, but I don't feel like breaking out the laptop to post it. Perhaps I'll do it while I'm at work later today.

Spoiler: show

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/468...0627211944.jpg

Nice! I believe you but I won't lie I'd like to see the other screen you mentioned too. :D

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Also Narse, fail at not getting your gf to pick a girl taru. But it's ok cause my gf picked hume female too D;

[Makaveli]

Nice! I believe you but I won't lie I'd like to see the other screen you mentioned too. :D

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Also Narse, fail at not getting your gf to pick a girl taru. But it's ok cause my gf picked hume female too D;

Shes actually a dirty mithra. Thats someone else's Ghorn account/mule.

[fndragon]

Last I heard is that LS's couldn't lock all 15, but could lock at least 12 with a certain method. I don't know if the method I heard was true, but I do know that LS's are trying to keep it a secret until they get the first kill or until everything is ironed out. People want credit and aren't going to share because if their method gets used to take it down AV, that group won't get credited for the Kill, and only the LS who killed it will be remembered, so I can understand the secrecy to a point...

Now, the question comes, as can only come from someone on a mostly-anonymous internet forum:

Would you rather be remembered as the linkshell who didn't share with the community or the linkshell that did share with the community? It seems like those linkshells are striving for publicity, notoriety, and fame. And right now they're earning ire for withholding information.

[Takedown3]

remembered as the linkshell who didn't share with the community until we beat it and capped on nsash/mring - then shared (after selling several nsash/mrings)

[Demosthenes11]

way too short sighted of a response. If you don't share with the community, you will actually make less gil than if you had.

1) VERY few ls's can kill even without 2hours.
2) By the time you do kill it by figuring it all out on your own, it will likely be 4th quarter 2009.
3) You share, and an ls might have a proven method within a few months.

4th quarter 2009 - few months = ~4 months of extra farming time.
by 4th quarter 2009 you also have a lot less time to sell shit and make it worth anything because of ffXIV coming out.

[Gtype954]

way too short sighted of a response. If you don't share with the community, you will actually make less gil than if you had.

1) VERY few ls's can kill even without 2hours.
2) By the time you do kill it by figuring it all out on your own, it will likely be 4th quarter 2009.
3) You share, and an ls might have a proven method within a few months.

4th quarter 2009 - few months = ~4 months of extra farming time.
by 4th quarter 2009 you also have a lot less time to sell shit and make it worth anything because of ffXIV coming out.

It doesn't matter if they share the info or not. Noone ever attempts anything seriously anymore anyway. Every time AV pops on my server, every LS I seen has let it depop despite having over 25 people with full HP and 2 hrs up.

Learn how to kill PW first... cause Last I seen, those Aerial torpedo lamps blew your LS sky high lmao. Then worry about AV.

EDIT:

And just to Edit. There was a serious attempt on my server once after that AV nerf. Doing your 2 hr when he does his 2 hrs indeed does something just as shown in that video. All the elite Linkshells have denied it and called the SE video a bunch of SE liars. But the truth is, that video helped alot.

[Sifer]

The keyword is "growth." There are no experience points or levels. Instead, weapons will be the key element is determining said growth.

at least people wont emo when they die to AV in ff14.

[Demosthenes11]

It doesn't matter if they share the info or not. Noone ever attempts anything seriously anymore anyway. Every time AV pops on my server, every LS I seen has let it depop despite having over 25 people with full HP and 2 hrs up.

Learn how to kill PW first... cause Last I seen, those Aerial torpedo lamps blew your LS sky high lmao. Then worry about AV.

EDIT:

And just to Edit. There was a serious attempt on my server once after that AV nerf. Doing your 2 hr when he does his 2 hrs indeed does something just as shown in that video. All the elite Linkshells have denied it and called the SE video a bunch of SE liars. But the truth is, that video helped alot.

christ everyone tried shit on AV like 100 times after the video; each shell at least 5 times. Nothing was found in those attempts. Don't tell me it's just because people let it depop when looking for the key costs 30k exp on all char, frustration, and more or less dumb luck.

I have no idea who you are or why you seem to think it's lmao worthy that in my old ls a few died to bomb lamps on our first attempt (ohnoez) and yet we still made it to final form pretty easily...Next are you going to say a few of our members sometimes died when we killed odin (QQ MOAR).

and why don't you tell us, smartest dude in the world, just what those 2hours do. How the hell did the video help a lot besides saying "hay 2hours do something but we not telling you how or what ^_^ "

[Narse]

christ everyone tried shit on AV like 100 times after the video; each shell at least 5 times. Nothing was found in those attempts. Don't tell me it's just because people let it depop when looking for the key costs 30k exp on all char, frustration, and more or less dumb luck.

I have no idea who you are or why you seem to think it's lmao worthy that in my old ls a few died to bomb lamps on our first attempt (ohnoez) and yet we still made it to final form pretty easily...Next are you going to say a few of our members sometimes died when we killed odin (QQ MOAR).

and why don't you tell us, smartest dude in the world, just what those 2hours do. How the hell did the video help a lot besides saying "hay 2hours do something but we not telling you how or what ^_^ "

I'll tell you this much: I wouldn't trust anything that anyone has tried on AV with no success. A large part of why AV remained untouchable for so long is because people failed at the execution of their theories, posted about it, and people took their word for it.

[Demosthenes11]

wow thx bro u so helpful

at least admit the only reason the people "in the know" won't say shit is to feed their epeen

[Yugl]

That was the initial distinction, yes. The escort quests do not qualify as it
1) does not have a continuous back storyline. it is only ONE stand-alone quest.
2) can be unflagged by simply talking to the quest giver again.
3) is repeatable. once a week. by the by, so were the eco-warrior quests.

I don't you realized what just happened. I took what you called the "initial distinction" between quests and missions, then applied it to what is obviously a quest and found it to be a mission. Other words, your means of differentiating between a mission and a quest is flawed.

Except you can actually BUY the airship pass with gil. Nobody does that cos its cheaper to just farm, but the alternative is there.. therefore it is NOT a necessity.

Buying it completes the quest too. How about the Tenshodo membership quest? You need to complete that quest before you can complete Zilart, but it's obviously a quest.

Like i said, the nation quests were meant to be mission storyline for each of the 3 sides, but were made as quests so that people could enjoy all 3 storylines at a go without having to switch sides unnecessarily. Because of this, they were designed to be labeled and classified as quests as quests do not force allegiance. but in the process, this meant that the quests themselves lost any form of bonuses added specifically to missions.

If you can tell us SE's intentions and motivations, then why don't you share the secret to AV with us? You obviously know since you can tell us exactly why SE takes certain action. You also happen to know they were initially missions before SE changed them to quests.

The XP saving property was added in ToAU, and was added retroactively to CoP, Zilart and nation missions. It applies too to WotG but not nation quests because of the way they were designed. They are meant to appear as if they are quests.

So you admit that previous missions did not have XP properties until later, yet you also suggest that a mission is characterized by the fact that they don't take your XP. Is this to suggest that they were once not missions?

Only because they are not set paths to take in order to progress to the next mission.
This is reminiscent of Divine Might. The 5 BC Ark Angels path was the original path to reach the next mission and was thus documented in the log. Divine Might (afaik, added later) offers an alternative path, and is not featured in the log, but can also lead to the next mission.

With WotG, the 3 paths were designed from the beginning, so as a measure of representing that all 3 paths were viable (and if you pick 1 path, the other 2 become optional), none of them were put into mission log. Adding to this, is that the nation quest storylines run parallel to the WotG time travel story, and have yet to intersect.

Your earlier logic dictated that quests can be missions if they are required to advance to the next mission. Your second assertion was that missions are distinguished by the mission log. These are conflicting notions. Hence, why I made that comment.

Delkfutt key is used to open the door to the imprisoned ambassador to Jeuno in all 3 nation storylines.

Yet, it's not simply a trigger item since you can use it to teleport to the 6th(?) floor of Delkutt's tower. I wouldn't call a Crystal Bass a trigger item just because I can use it for a San d Orian mission.

Not really. The reacquisition of ACP body rewards are special cases because you had to pick 1 option out of several at the time and this is reliant on the nature of the reward and the mini-expansion - all the rewards are picked at random OR you have to choose something out of something else.

In other words, it contradicts your classification of a mission, which means your classification is incorrect.

However, with all the prior expansions, there is no way of redoing one nation missions to get your gil reward again, or doing CoP's Airship battle gain for another Ducal Ring.

I can't request Ballad/Warp/WarpII/Retrace/Recall/Brown Belt/Utsu. Does that mean they're missions? No. Suggesting that an event where you can't request the item is a mission is absurd.

I'm not going to argue on this because the value in question is subjective. If I were someone who relies on campaigns alot for exp, then the flags campaign bonus would be far more valuable to me than the rings

Not your argument, but if you're going to include campaign flags as rewards, then I might as well add in Airship Passes, Tav Ring (Perma Warp item), Ducal Ring, Access to Sky, Access to Sea, Three Rings (Rajas!), Three Divine Might Earring (Suppa!), Three Apoc Nigh Earring (Ethereal!), and other items.

ok then. tell me what Apocalyse Nigh falls under.
It is clearly listed in the quest log, yes, but it also changes the mission log for both CoP and Zilart when completed.

It's a quest. It's listed in quest log? It's a quest. Divine Might is a quest, but it gives you access to the next mission.

Simple: Quest:Quest log. Mission:Mission log.

[BerenTebogo]

Demo is being Orochi Lede annoying in this thread. Shut the fuck up nig.

[Ramses]

I have yet to see someone actually flat out ask how to lock AV, but a lot of speculation as to why they aren't answering a question that hasn't even been asked. So to the people who say they are locking AV, how precisely are you doing it? If you don't want to answer, fine, but please just say why so there aren't two more pages of speculation.

[Kyreth]

I have yet to see someone actually flat out ask how to lock AV, but a lot of speculation as to why they aren't answering a question that hasn't even been asked. So to the people who say they are locking AV, how precisely are you doing it? If you don't want to answer, fine, but please just say why so there aren't two more pages of speculation.

I'm of the opinion that shit like this should be subject to a "Tits or GTFO" rule.

You can lock AV abilities? Prove it. Or get the banhammer. Advanced shouldn't have empty claims posted only to improve the poster's epeen- especially when there's such a high probability (given previous and continual fails on AV) they're false ones.

I'll ask it. To those posting that yes, they know how to lock 2hrs on AV:

How do you lock 2-hours on Absolute Virtue. Post it. With proof. Or stop tossing empty and useless statements into the discussions here.

[BRP]

According to BRP, there's no point in making a distinction.

Don't be stupid now. If we were talking about where these objectives categorize in the game you must make the distinction, but we are not. When we are talking about rewards there is absolutely no point of doing so. You must gain those rewards doing missions. If you have done WotG missions, you received those rewards. They are one mission-line, one-path. (though more specifically one of three paths, but each is more rewarding than what missions usually gave even if done alone.) Perhaps this is only so because this mission-line is following a quest template? Doesn't matter.

Tenshodo Membership and Airship Pass, etc, are all rewards from the missions. However, on some conditions you won't receive the reward(when you already have it.)

EDIT: Gaining access to Divine Might, but not Divine Might's rewards would be a part of the reward of the Zilart missions. However, like Sky, you only get it towards the very end.



Also trying to insult my ego is stupid. Of course I know more than SE and I know more than you Narol. That surprise you? Does it make you angry?

[fndragon]

I'm of the opinion that shit like this should be subject to a "Tits or GTFO" rule.

You can lock AV abilities? Prove it. Or get the banhammer. Advanced shouldn't have empty claims posted only to improve the poster's epeen- especially when there's such a high probability (given previous and continual fails on AV) they're false ones.

I'll ask it. To those posting that yes, they know how to lock 2hrs on AV:

How do you lock 2-hours on Absolute Virtue. Post it. With proof. Or stop tossing empty and useless statements into the discussions here.

Lemme quote myself again:

^ This. Put up or shut up.

And to rebut Takedown3:

remembered as the linkshell who didn't share with the community until we beat it and capped on nsash/mring - then shared (after selling several nsash/mrings)

If you could do this, and your linkshell was as non-cooperative as you imply, then what POSSIBLE incentive would there be for your linkshell to ever share any information, EVER?

Financially, if you could do this trick, you would obviously never reveal it to anyone, ever, because the profit would be obscene. As an example, see how many endgame linkshells keep Tiamat and Fafnir under lock and key to keep demand up, even if they sell almost every single sellable item from them.

I posit as a better response the way that the community handled the investigation and coordination of things like Zhayolm Frogs, and Crafting tiers, and enmity investigation as good examples of why you share shit with the community at large. Even more apropo is the realization and dissemination of Kirin TP-burn strategies.

[Yugl]

Don't be stupid now. If we were talking about where these objectives categorize in the game you must make the distinction, but we are not. When we are talking about rewards there is absolutely no point of doing so. You must gain those rewards doing missions. If you have done WotG missions, you received those rewards. They are one mission-line, one-path. (though more specifically one of three paths, but each is more rewarding than what missions usually gave even if done alone.) Perhaps this is only so because this mission-line is following a quest template? Doesn't matter.

Stop trying to defend a lie. You said you get inventory items from missions. I corrected you and said they're from quests. Stop bitching about it.

Tenshodo Membership and Airship Pass, etc, are all rewards from the missions. However, on some conditions you won't receive the reward(when you already have it.)

Tenshodo Membership - FFXIclopedia, the Final Fantasy XI wiki - Characters, items, jobs, and more

Tenshodo membership is a quest. However, completion is required before you can continue Zilart missions.

EDIT: Gaining access to Divine Might, but not Divine Might's rewards would be a part of the reward of the Zilart missions. However, like Sky, you only get it towards the very end.

Too bad the disagreement was in the fact that you gain the inventory items from quests not from missions. If you say that you gain more rewards from quests required to advance in missions in Wings than other packs, then you may have a point (Though Tenshodo membership can be considered more important for those who horde the ACP). However, that is not what you stated. You said "mission per mission" you gain more from Wings than other packs, which is entirely false. It was a small correction, but because you're BRP, you took it to be the greatest insult and decided to fight back instead of acknowledging that they're quests when it says so in the quest log.

[Narol]

Of course I know more than SE and I know more than you Narol. That surprise you? Does it make you angry?

No and no. I've been trolled by people better than you at both trolling and game design.