Corsair & Detonator

[konoko]

I finally got around to unlocking detonator, and i have been having trouble getting good damage out of it

people have told me i should be able to get 900-1200 on birds, but /war ive been capping around 700-750 damage, my slugshots do about 1200-1400 damage but miss about 20% of the time, i really would just like an idea about what would be the optimal setup for detonator

[DeathbySnoosnoo]

equip waaaaaay less racc and waaaay more str & agi & ratk.
I hit 95% racc when i use Det, thats with like maybe 20ish racc in my ws gear
with like 70 racc i get like 70% slug rate.
thats with no food on lolibris.
With chaos on, my normal det is about 900-1100 depending on roll.
with zerk another 100-200

[Callisto]

To start, use Martial Gun w/ Steel Bullets.

Aside from that I use the following:

Corsair's Tricorne+1/Light Gorget/Drone x2
Denali Jacket/Crimson Fng. Gnts/Flame x2
Amemet+1/Warwolf/Denali/Corsair's Bottes+1

I see pretty solid damage, usually 700-1.1k on Mamools depending on what I have up out of Berserk/Minuet/Chaos, easily 1k-1.4k on birds.

Upgrades over what I have would be Triumph Earrings, Commodore legs, Buc Belt, maybe Skadi hands though I'm still not 100% comfortable with losing the 10 RAcc from CFGs.

[Jak]

Callisto, maybe it's just me but I find better results using pallas/alky over my blood finger guantlets. I don't parse or anything.. but does anyone have a parse to back it up? My detonator gear right now is..


Joyeuse/Beaters/Martial/Steel
AF1/Light/Drone/Drone
Mirke Walde/Pallas/Rajas/Ruby
Amemet+1/Warwolf/Enkidu/RSE2 Hume

Obvious upgrades are obvious but since I don't do (and never really have done) limbus.. AF1+1 head/feet are out of the question for now. With my gear and full-time subs I hit 107 str (4 shy of capping fStr or whatever on birds).

Even with meat I don't miss detonator so I feel the Str+9 (I know it has -agi) is greater than R.Att+11.. but am I wrong? Is R.Acc/R.Att+11 going to be out +9 Str -6 Agi? (or whatever the -agi is on it)


edit: side note, I have the UGLIEST GOD DAMN WS equipment EVER. :-/ Adding the hat from next expansion is gonna be even worse x_x;

[Marcicus]

My Detonator set:

Joyeuse /-- / Martial Gun / Steel Bullet
Corsair's Tricorne / Light Gorget / Triumph Earring / Minuet Earring
Mirke Wardecors / Alkyoneus's Bracelets / Rajas Ring / Flame Ring
Smolidon Mantle +1 / Buccaneer's Belt / Enkidu's Subligar / Corsair's Bottes +1

This setup has lots of STR, and I find it does well, but Slug typically outparses it in my experience.

[konoko]

hmm well im still using jaeger mantle from my Slugshot build, might be hurting alot more then helping

[Jak]

Oh yes, most certainly that isn't helping if that's the R.Acc+ R.Att- back piece. I wouldn't even use it for slug imo but that's just me.

Stick with Amemet+1 for it. ^_^

[Bakthi]

I really hate asking this, but...Jalzahn's Ring versus Flame Ring for Detonator? If it's the latter, then well...fuck.

I'm pretty happy with Detonator, especially outside of birds, or even on birds as /WAR. I use Skadi hands and don't really have acc issues. My only Detonator r.acc is from AF+1 head/feet, Skadi legs, Jalzahn's, and gorget.

[Jak]

Don't quote me on this but I think the str cap on birds for Detonator is a total str of 111. If you're at 111 Str while using Jalzahns .. it's better. If you haven't reached that cap flame/rajas/triumph ring is best.

Like I said, don't quote me as I'm no number-whiz.. it's just how I gear my Cor for detonator. Once I reach 111 Str (or is it 112? ugh) I put R.Att/Agi in other slots.

[nekura]

Oh yes, most certainly that isn't helping if that's the R.Acc+ R.Att- back piece. I wouldn't even use it for slug imo but that's just me.

Stick with Amemet+1 for it. ^_^

Agreed with not using Jaegar Mantle for Slug; Slug is pretty disappointing if you don't have the R.Attack to back it up, if you find yourself missing a lot of Slugs just stick to Detonator or find better places to stuff R.Acc.

[Callisto]

I have Pallas' but like I said I still don't fully trust my Deto accuracy(I'm almost always /WAR and @ MMJSP), last time I meritted aside from 2 Slugs that hit Zephyr Mantle/Utsusemi I was 100% on Slug but flat out whiffed 3 Detos On top of that, RAtk is so explosive once you get into higher amounts that I don't really like giving it up for flat out STR.

I passed up a chance at lotting the Skadi hands 35 on Tuesday which I'm sure I'll regret, but some day I'll probably finish them and give them a shot, otherwise I'd rather have the RAcc/RAtk til then.

[Auspice]

- FFXIAH.com

Joyeuse
Nomad Moogle Shield
Martial Gun
Steel Bullet
Corsair's Tricorne +1
Qiqirn Collar
Triumph Earring
Fenrir's Earring
Denali Jacket
Crimson Finger Gauntlets
Jalzahn's Ring
Flame Ring
Amemet Mantle +1
Commodore Belt
Commodore Culottes +1
Corsair's Bottes +1

Still room for improvement but on birds I can pull close to 1400 dmg with meat

[Jak]

Nomad Moogle Shield H8...


And you must be lucky with your Brd using minuet for the 1400. Mine are only 1400~ with Brd.. and EVERYTIME I get a Brd they use March/March or March/Madrigal. :-/ Where's mah minuet!?

[Callisto]

Yeah, unfortunately as of late I never really get the epeen shots in since I never get Min/Min and I'm lucky if there's Min/March over March/March, but I'm more concerned with XP/hr and how I am compared to the rest of the party(in that order).

[Vedder]

Aside from the gear choices people have posted about, the best way to pump up your Detonator damage is by having Chaos Roll & Minuet on while subbing WAR for Berserk.

It's been awhile since I've merited and I don't write down or SS my wtfpwnzorz WSes, but I distinctly remember fluctuations in my damage being mostly attributed to my buffs at the time.

And @Callisto, I'm pretty sure Skadi Bazubands will be superior to CFGs/BFGs for Detonator. The ratk is either equal or 1 fewer and you should have enough racc leftover in your head, waist, and feet slots (not to mention hopefully a sea gorget) to still land Detonator consistently enough. Don't have Skadi hands myself though, but I'll be switching to them once I get 'em.

[Jak]

It's so weird you guys talk about missing Detonator. Am I just lucky? Literally the ONLY R.Acc I have in my TP set is the +8 from AF head. That's it. And I have very rarely if ever (aside from the 5% you're always gonna miss) missed a Detonator on Birds. I also don't use sushi.. subs onry.

[Callisto]

Aside from the gear choices people have posted about, the best way to pump up your Detonator damage is by having Chaos Roll & Minuet on while subbing WAR for Berserk.

It's been awhile since I've merited and I don't write down or SS my wtfpwnzorz WSes, but I distinctly remember fluctuations in my damage being mostly attributed to my buffs at the time.

And @Callisto, I'm pretty sure Skadi Bazubands will be superior to CFGs/BFGs for Detonator. The ratk is either equal or 1 fewer and you should have enough racc leftover in your head, waist, and feet slots (not to mention hopefully a sea gorget) to still land Detonator consistently enough. Don't have Skadi hands myself though, but I'll be switching to them once I get 'em.

Yeah I agree with this post fully, it's just like I said I seem to get odd misses already so it makes me paranoid about my RAcc, lol. That and when I plugged my junk into FFXIGear.com the RAcc # it spit back at me was kind of small.

Edit: I never really get a reason to use Hunter's in merits so I'm pretty much always using Sushi. Regardless of WS Acc my melee acc is far too low even on birds for my liking, even with full Sword merits and a strong TP set. Sometimes I hate that the other melees in my LS are as strong as they are, b/c their accuracy isn't really low enough to excuse me tossing in Hunter's.

[Tulun]

Is 111 str really the cap on birds?

I find my Detos with Minuet IV and Chaos Roll are usually 1200-1300 on average (and without the accuracy issue of Slug Shot). I use Subs and sub RNG only. I think /war is for e-peen shots not for actual better damage. the 22 acc from /rng 100% of the time is better than zerk 60% of the time, imo.

I peak to up to 1500 with 200 tp. More attack rolls, Angon, etc, will up the average.

I find hitting 95% of detos for 1200-1300 is better than hitting 70-80% of slugs for about 1400-1500.

[Jak]

It's either 111 or 112. You can search through old corsair threads discussing it (mathmatic crap and all). If it's not here then it maybe on KI or something. All I know is.. my detonators seem to cap with Minuet IV/Chaos/Sub at 1400 or so damage.. because it's weird.. when I use zerk/warcry as /war my damage only goes up like 50-100 damage points (or is that normal?).

If only my detonator capped at what my slugs seem to cap it. The most I've ever managed was 2856 Slug on bird (SV-Minuet'd, Chaos XI w/ Drk bonus) and 1900~ (without SV/Normal Chaos) on bird.

[LinktheDeme]

IS slug shot capped at an 80% accuracy or something? Or is it just really low accuracy rate? Always wondered but figured it would be impossible to test

[Tulun]

Yeah, slug is totally the harder hitting WS, but I find you need extreme buffs to push it far beyond Deto (at least in my experience, my 100 TP slugs haven't been much better than my Detos).

I find that if I want to be aggressive with my WS gear (IE stacking as much str as possible, using attack food) I simply won't be hitting enough slugs.

My WS gear:
Kris or Toy (depending on my mood)
Martial Gun, steel bullets
Af+1 head
Flame Gorget
2x agi+3 earrings
Mirke body (no ratt/racc buffs, str5/agi5 onry)
Crimson hands
Rajas/Flame Ring
Amemet+1
Warwolf belt (I don't do einherjar)
Enkidu legs
af+1 feet.

Other than the belt, I can't really keep the same amount of str/ratt if I want to improve my racc, excluding maybe Denali Jacket as well.

[konoko]

my ws gear on cor is

Joyeuse/Martial/Iron Bullets (im cheap)
Corsairs Tricorne +1/Spectacles/Triumph/Triumph
Skadi's Cuirie/Blood Finger Gauntlets/Raja's/Jalzahns
Amemet+1/Buccaneer's/Skadi's Chausses/Corsairs Bottes+1

Trying to get a Gorget for WS, or faith torque (farmed 7 HQ Euvhi's)
Also trying to get Commodore Culottes from dynamis, but other then those 2 spots is there anything i should really change?

[Jak]

Bullets >_> Sorry but.. you stated you WS in that gear and those bullets. You could sell a triumph earring.. buy 60~ stacks of steel bullets and notice a 10x increase in WS damage! All that amazing gear I only wish I had (like skadi body which will NEVER happen) and you use iron. My saddy face can't get anymore saddier!!!

[konoko]

actually on my server i could buy 2 stacks of steel pouches for a triumph :/

Edit: i do use steel during ls events and on Quickdraw, just cant bring myself to spend ~100k more per stack on steel for merits

[Jak]

Do you shoot for TP? I've gone into great merit PTs where I'm constantly spamming barrage, WSs, etc. and never even came close to using but maybe 2 stacks of bullets (at most.. for like 3-4 hours of meriting).

I just bought a stack of pouches for 150K on Ramuh.. pray-tell how much they are on your server? I'm staying far away from it if they are 400K+ for a stack of pouches. D:!

[tsola]

It's not like you're spending an entire stack of pouches per merits. I think I use an average about 60 bullets an hour, which isn't that bad at all.

[konoko]

250k-300k for steel, 150k-180k for iron, i dont shoot for tp, but the cost for steel is just rediculouse, sometimes i do the lvl 60 cap fight to get some Corsair Bullets, which are just amazing for Slugshot (+25 accuracy )

[tsola]

250k-300k for steel, 150k-180k for iron, i dont shoot for tp, but the cost for steel is just rediculouse, sometimes i do the lvl 60 cap fight to get some Corsair Bullets, which are just amazing for Slugshot (+25 accuracy )

Ok, I'll concede to that. 300k is a bit ridiculous. Steel are 160k~ on my server.

[Jak]

You gain that accuracy at the loss of an astounding amount of damage. :-/ Sorry but I'm not very leniant on gimp bullets. :-/ You asked what you needed to upgrade.. I said, lol.

[Silenka]

What are the best legs for a str/agi detonator setup (aside from skadi)? I'll actually bother to upgrade commodore legs to +1 if those are the best thing, but if there's something better than those I won't.