Corsair & Detonator

[Tulun]

Yeah, slug is totally the harder hitting WS, but I find you need extreme buffs to push it far beyond Deto (at least in my experience, my 100 TP slugs haven't been much better than my Detos).

I find that if I want to be aggressive with my WS gear (IE stacking as much str as possible, using attack food) I simply won't be hitting enough slugs.

My WS gear:
Kris or Toy (depending on my mood)
Martial Gun, steel bullets
Af+1 head
Flame Gorget
2x agi+3 earrings
Mirke body (no ratt/racc buffs, str5/agi5 onry)
Crimson hands
Rajas/Flame Ring
Amemet+1
Warwolf belt (I don't do einherjar)
Enkidu legs
af+1 feet.

Other than the belt, I can't really keep the same amount of str/ratt if I want to improve my racc, excluding maybe Denali Jacket as well.

[konoko]

my ws gear on cor is

Joyeuse/Martial/Iron Bullets (im cheap)
Corsairs Tricorne +1/Spectacles/Triumph/Triumph
Skadi's Cuirie/Blood Finger Gauntlets/Raja's/Jalzahns
Amemet+1/Buccaneer's/Skadi's Chausses/Corsairs Bottes+1

Trying to get a Gorget for WS, or faith torque (farmed 7 HQ Euvhi's)
Also trying to get Commodore Culottes from dynamis, but other then those 2 spots is there anything i should really change?

[Jak]

Bullets >_> Sorry but.. you stated you WS in that gear and those bullets. You could sell a triumph earring.. buy 60~ stacks of steel bullets and notice a 10x increase in WS damage! All that amazing gear I only wish I had (like skadi body which will NEVER happen) and you use iron. My saddy face can't get anymore saddier!!!

[konoko]

actually on my server i could buy 2 stacks of steel pouches for a triumph :/

Edit: i do use steel during ls events and on Quickdraw, just cant bring myself to spend ~100k more per stack on steel for merits

[Jak]

Do you shoot for TP? I've gone into great merit PTs where I'm constantly spamming barrage, WSs, etc. and never even came close to using but maybe 2 stacks of bullets (at most.. for like 3-4 hours of meriting).

I just bought a stack of pouches for 150K on Ramuh.. pray-tell how much they are on your server? I'm staying far away from it if they are 400K+ for a stack of pouches. D:!

[tsola]

It's not like you're spending an entire stack of pouches per merits. I think I use an average about 60 bullets an hour, which isn't that bad at all.

[konoko]

250k-300k for steel, 150k-180k for iron, i dont shoot for tp, but the cost for steel is just rediculouse, sometimes i do the lvl 60 cap fight to get some Corsair Bullets, which are just amazing for Slugshot (+25 accuracy :D)

[tsola]

250k-300k for steel, 150k-180k for iron, i dont shoot for tp, but the cost for steel is just rediculouse, sometimes i do the lvl 60 cap fight to get some Corsair Bullets, which are just amazing for Slugshot (+25 accuracy :D)

Ok, I'll concede to that. 300k is a bit ridiculous. Steel are 160k~ on my server.

[Jak]

You gain that accuracy at the loss of an astounding amount of damage. :-/ Sorry but I'm not very leniant on gimp bullets. :-/ You asked what you needed to upgrade.. I said, lol.

[Silenka]

What are the best legs for a str/agi detonator setup (aside from skadi)? I'll actually bother to upgrade commodore legs to +1 if those are the best thing, but if there's something better than those I won't.

[konoko]

You gain that accuracy at the loss of an astounding amount of damage. :-/ Sorry but I'm not very leniant on gimp bullets. :-/ You asked what you needed to upgrade.. I said, lol.

yea 13 is a pretty huge difference, i probably should just sell the Corsair bullets (100k per pouch) and buy a stack of steel pouches every 3 weeks

[TybudX]

What are the best legs for a str/agi detonator setup (aside from skadi)? I'll actually bother to upgrade commodore legs to +1 if those are the best thing, but if there's something better than those I won't.

The difference between Commodore Culottes and the +1 version is +4att, +4eva, neither of which do anything to affect Detonator. Keep the NQs, use your money on something else.

[Carrilei]

What are the best legs for a str/agi detonator setup (aside from skadi)? I'll actually bother to upgrade commodore legs to +1 if those are the best thing, but if there's something better than those I won't.

Enkidu's Subligar, if you know what you're doing in terms of Store TP.

[Silenka]

Enkidu's Subligar, if you know what you're doing in terms of Store TP.

Um...what if I don't >.>

[TybudX]

It's pretty simple. The basic gist is that you get back a certain amount of TP based on your weapon's delay. This can be modified by the Store TP trait, such as from the Samurai job, or on some pieces of gear, like Rajas Ring. Say you have Brutal Earring (1.01) and Rajas Ring (1.05), you would take your base TP, say 6% from Joyeuse, and go 6 x 1.06 = 6.36. Then you floor that at the first tenth, making it 6.3. Every swing of Joyeuse gives you back 6.3% TP. It's that tenth of a percent that makes you sometimes get back what appears to be a higher return.

The idea is that you can manipulate your TP return with certain items to get enough TP for a weaponskill in fewer attacks than normal. I'll show you an example, working from after Detonater.

Lets say you WS in this:

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And TP in this:

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After using Detonator, you will get back 16.8 x 1.05 = 17.6% TP. You now need 100 - 17.6 = 82.4% TP to do another weaponskill. Your TP build is going to give you back 6 x 1.06 = 6.3% per connected hit. That means you need to hit a mob 82.4 / 6.3 = 13 times after each WS to get to the next one. Lets alter your WS and TP builds a bit, though.

New WS set:

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Gave Enkidu's Subligar, sacrificing 1% hit rate and 3 AGI modifier for 1 STR and 5 sTP.
(edit - Forgot to point out, going from Commodore to Enkidu's: Commodore have a 50% chance of raising you fSTR by 1 or by 2, Enkidu's have a 100% chance of raising it by 2. This matters a lot on anything more difficult than a Colibri... so pretty much anything you would use Detonator for.)

New TP set:

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You swap Palhuwan pants for Skadi, and a Toreador's for Ecphoria ring. You might lose an fSTR tier (one base damage on your weapon, depending on the mob's VIT), and you sacrifice 3acc (about 1.5% hit rate). You gain 2% Haste, 5 att, and 8 sTP.

Now lets work it out again. Your Detonator now gives back 16.8 x 1.1 = 18.4% TP. You now need 100 - 18.4 = 81.6% TP for another WS. Joyeuse is going to get you back 6 x 1.14 = 6.8. It now takes you 81.6 / 6.8 = 12 swings to get to 100% TP.

So what does this mean overall? You went from needing a WS and 13 swings for TP to 12, which is an 8% increase in WS frequency (13 / 12 = 1.08 ). So for the sacrifice of a few AGI on you WS and 1.5% hit rate, you increased your WS's by 8%. That's a pretty big increase when compared to how little you had to give up for it, especially considering how much of a COR's damage comes from WSs.

[Silenka]

Thank you very much for the explanation. I'm basically a mage so I'm slowly learning all the melee math, though I've always just geared based on stats and not math. I'm trying, though XD That's the most concise and easy to understand explanation I've seen in a long time for FFXI math, consider I'm terrible with numbers.

[Callisto]

yea 13 is a pretty huge difference, i probably should just sell the Corsair bullets (100k per pouch) and buy a stack of steel pouches every 3 weeks

I still keep Corsair bullets around for ranged TP against higher end mobs(on the one day a millennium when the stars align and I don't have to go RDM or PLD), and for Barrage when I'm /RNG. I wouldn't WS in them really, but they're still useful.