The MMA Thread of 2009-Forever

[Ikarys]

It is not illegal...he's asking if it "should" be. The traditional martial arts guys don't participate in MMA because they got destroyed in the beginning and realized they should keep that shit in the forms competitions.

So it is legal? Sweet, you could bust so many kneecaps.

[Quixon]

The traditional martial arts guys don't participate in MMA because they got destroyed in the beginning and realized they should keep that shit in the forms competitions.

Took the words right outa my mouth.


I don't think that it should be illegal. A fighter can be injured just as seriously with a knee bar. Defend against that shit if you don't want to be hit with it.

[noblemountain]

Took the words right outa my mouth.


I don't think that it should be illegal. A fighter can be injured just as seriously with a knee bar. Defend against that shit if you don't want to be hit with it.

Exactly...just like foot stomps. One of my last opponents bitched about foot stomps because I broke a few bones in his foot with them. My response was, don't get hit with foot stomps.

[Ikarys]

never seen stoppage for foot stomping, lol... reminds me of that fight where the dude blew his ankle or whatever out trying to set up for a superman punch and TKO'd himself (can't remember who)

[noblemountain]

never seen stoppage for foot stomping, lol... reminds me of that fight where the dude blew his ankle or whatever out trying to set up for a superman punch and TKO'd himself (can't remember who)

It didn't stop the fight, he just bitched about it after I anaconda choke'd him out.

[Dimmauk]

It is not illegal...he's asking if it "should" be. The traditional martial arts guys don't participate in MMA because they got destroyed in the beginning and realized they should keep that shit in the forms competitions.

I thought the favorable rules to grapplers is what keeps some Martial Arts guys from competing. Small Joint Manipulation is the easiest way to get out of chokes, but that is a No-No in MMA. They should bring back fishhooking and head butts, and let people use Small Joint manipulation, and see if people still get choked out.

[Ikarys]

legal headbutting would be awesome, if only because I know you'd have a few guys delivering them catastrophically and KOing themselves.

[Dimmauk]

In case yall didnt know

Fouls:
1. Butting with the head.
2. Eye gouging of any kind.
3. Biting.
4. Hair pulling.
5. Fish hooking.
6. Groin attacks of any kind.
7. Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent.
8. Small joint manipulation.
9. Striking to the spine or the back of the head.
10. Striking downward using the point of the elbow.
11. Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea.
12. Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.
13. Grabbing the clavicle.
14. Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.
15. Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
16. Stomping a grounded opponent.
17. Kicking to the kidney with the heel.
18. Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck.
19. Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area.
20. Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent.
21. Spitting at an opponent.
22. Engaging in an unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent.
23. Holding the ropes or the fence.
24. Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area.
25. Attacking an opponent on or during the break.
26. Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee.
27. Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.
28. Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee.
29. Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.
30. Interference by the corner.
31. Throwing in the towel during competition.

[tyven]

lol @ 24

also why is it illegal to throw in the towel?

[Dimmauk]

lol @ 24

also why is it illegal to throw in the towel?

Now you know why Rocky didnt throw in the towel for Rashad

http://i42.tinypic.com/lkw42.gif

[tyven]

could have swore cabbage threw in the towel vs sylvia

[Quixon]

His corner did throw the towel in for that fight.


Though it would have been funnier to see this instead:

http://4gifs.com/gallery/d/132284-1/Boxer_flees.gif

[Dimmauk]

Former NFLer Herschel Walker signed with Strikeforce

By Maggie Hendricks

Herschel Walker, the Heisman Trophy-winning running back and former NFL player with the Minnesota Vikings and Dallas Cowboys, has found a new career: mixed martial arts. The 47-year-old Walker has signed a contract with Strikeforce to fight at an unspecified date. He will begin training with American Kickboxing Academy, the high-profile camp in San Jose, Calif., that trains UFC standouts Josh Koscheck, Mike Swick, Jon Fitch, Cain Velasquez and Strikeforce lightweight champion Josh Thomson.

"I've been training for several years. I would play college football games on Saturday and then compete in martial arts tournaments on Sunday after church. I'm now looking forward to opening up another chapter in my life and to competing in MMA," said Walker in a news release.

Walker is not the first high-profile athlete to make the jump to MMA. In the current season of "The Ultimate Fighter," four former NFL players are trying for a chance at a contract with the UFC, most notably Marcus Jones, who played with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for seven years. Cleveland Cavaliers star Shaquille O'Neal has trained in mixed martial arts for years, and made jokes about challenging former UFC champ Chuck Liddell.

That doesn't mean that the road to MMA success will be easy for Walker, who retired from football in 1997. During last week's episode of "The Ultimate Fighter," Jones became sick from the intense workouts that MMA requires. Afterwards, he noted that he never had to work that hard in the NFL.

Walker will also have the obstacle of age in front of him. Though there are fighters who compete well into their forties -- most notably Randy Couture, who is 46 -- but those fighters did not spend much of their lives being tackled by 265 pound linebackers. The wear and tear on a running back should not be dismissed when looking at Walker's chances.

At the same time, it will be hard not to root for him. He's been an MMA fan for years, and was even at UFC 103 this past weekend in Dallas. Walker is a modern-day Jim Thorpe, having competed in the Olympic bobsled, professional football and now MMA. Now, he will test the bounds of his age and health again in MMA. Seeing a 47-year-old man walk the walk in this manner is downright inspirational.

[noblemountain]

Throwing in the towel isn't "illegal" it just ends the fight. They just worded it weird.

Small joint manipulation is "meh" for getting out of chokes honestly. There are much better ways to get out of bad spots then grabbing thumbs or fingers. Headbutting was legal for a long time and the only people that really benefited were wrestlers. Mark Kerr was the fucking king of headbutts. I took several martial arts before I started into MMA and can honestly say I don't use much of anything I learned from Mu Duk Kwan, Tae Kwon Do, Wing Chun, or plain ass Karate. I use the obvious blend of Jiu Jitsu, Judo, Western Boxing, Muay Thai, and Wrestling. Everything else has proven itself either extremely situational or useless. I still use a choke I learned in Mu Duk Kwan...my leg kicks were easier to get perfected because of Wing Chun...Tae Kwon Do was a waste of a year...lol

[Dimmauk]

Throwing in the towel isn't "illegal" it just ends the fight. They just worded it weird.

Small joint manipulation is "meh" for getting out of chokes honestly. There are much better ways to get out of bad spots then grabbing thumbs or fingers. Headbutting was legal for a long time and the only people that really benefited were wrestlers. Mark Kerr was the fucking king of headbutts. I took several martial arts before I started into MMA and can honestly say I don't use much of anything I learned from Mu Duk Kwan, Tae Kwon Do, Wing Chun, or plain ass Karate. I use the obvious blend of Jiu Jitsu, Judo, Western Boxing, Muay Thai, and Wrestling. Everything else has proven itself either extremely situational or useless. I still use a choke I learned in Mu Duk Kwan...my leg kicks were easier to get perfected because of Wing Chun...Tae Kwon Do was a waste of a year...lol

I learned sensitivity training from doing Chi Sau.

[archibaldcrane]

Whether it's useful or not, I don't understand why small joint manipulation is disallowed. It's not a life or health threatening risk, its ban is lame.

[Dimmauk]

Whether it's useful or not, I don't understand why small joint manipulation is disallowed. It's not a life or health threatening risk, its ban is lame.

People would be getting their fingers ripped off every fight. Same goes for the Grabbing the clavicle.

Someone getting an epic Kancho would be hilarious though.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/64/15...e3f616e5e0.jpg

[Ikarys]

Whether it's useful or not, I don't understand why small joint manipulation is disallowed. It's not a life or health threatening risk, its ban is lame.

There are already fans who get bored by a very technical ground game, so they stand people up in a (supposed) stalemate quite a bit. Now imagine if the two guys weren't even positioning during those two minute long stretches of technical ground game... you'd have a camera zoomed in on a really complex game of mercy, and probably like five people interested. Ditto for why some other things are illegal, too. Guy 1 goes for a double leg - guy 2 elbows him at the base of the skull with zero protection - five minutes of perfectly good action truncated into a much less exciting KO victory.

[archibaldcrane]

Ditto for why some other things are illegal, too. Guy 1 goes for a double leg - guy 2 elbows him at the base of the skull with zero protection - five minutes of perfectly good action truncated into a much less exciting KO victory.

...

Elbowing a guy at the base of the skull is illegal because it can cause paralysis and death, not because it "ends perfectly good action".

[noblemountain]

I really wish that knees to a grounded opponent were legal in the US. Keep people from blindly shooting in for singles out of desperation. It really isn't any more dangerous than anything else that is going on...it just "looks" worse.