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    Of course Rhino. I hope your not about to call me one. And you may find this hard to believe but I have ZERO conservative friends. They're either liberals or "I'm a Marine so I'm gonna vote for McCain" type of informed people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zealot View Post
    All I'm saying is that you're completely closed off to any kind of debate. You just proved it with your rant against liberals. You have proven, for everybody here to see, that you will object to any point risen by a liberal for the reasons you stated above. If the exact same notion were presented by a conservative you would be here singing its praises like it was the hottest fucking goat you ever stuck your three-inch crooked pecker into.

    That rant was actually the single best thing you could have done to debase all of your own already invalid points. And not just invalid because they were raised by a retarded pedophile (that being you), invalid because they were, if they came anywhere near the actual topic of health care, already addressed earlier in posts you refuse to acknowledge because you don't like what they say. I bet you don't like what Adam's Law says either, but it's still right.

    You don't like liberals. Everything liberals say is wrong. We got it. You can quit fucking that dead horse, even though I know that's one of your many beloved activities. You just completely invalidated yourself from this debate more than anyone or anything else could have. Bravo sir, you have actually been disqualified due to retardation. It's a rare man who can stupid himself out of an argument, but you've done it.

    So, now that that's out of the way, back to the name calling? I can keep it up as long as necessary to make sure you remain completely invalidated in what had otherwise been an actual productive thread.
    The bolded statements are true. I thought there might be more. But on a side note, just ranting and name calling for a whole post was actually a lot of fun! I'm always happy to debate the issues, but now I understand how fun it is to just call people names. We should do this more often. Still, at least I label liberals things that are true. And if you don't buy that, at least they are politically related.

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    No. I know you're not


    how about an answer to the first question. Do you agree with what Frankenbeans is saying about liberals? Or would you say its a meatball thing to say. I mean he doesn't even flinch when called out upon that all hes doing is parroting right wing nut jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwampdonkeyPLD View Post
    And you may find this hard to believe but I have ZERO conservative friends.
    I feel the same way. They all went running for the hills, afraid I would kill them because they weren't edgy enough.

    Just kidding.

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    Swampy, Is this the trash you associate yourself with?



    Btw Sirrus I didn't call you a neocon. I refer to as the Microanarachist because you lack the balls to completely condemn the government in all its forms.
    Alright fair enough, thanks for the civility. I'll be polite and do the same.

    In response to me not totally condemning the government, I could argue that you lack the balls to give government all control? Since when did things have to be black or white?(Lolracisim)

    I do condemn government in 99.99% of all forms(Army, Roads, Police, the whole shibang-a-bang). A free market anarchist society can handle all these / other stereotypical "OMFG ANARCHY" issues just fine.

    I advocate for a Minarchist (Not Microanarchist?) government out of practicality. I'd rather wean people / the market off its growing depenency on the Gov. VS just taking it away in one sweep.

    That and the only thing in particular that I can't figure out is the enforcement of contracts without force in an Anarchist society, but I'm sure other anarchists can explain that one to me. That's really the only thing keeping me from hopping on to the Anarchy boat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhinox View Post
    so is it safe to say that the anarchists are in the right side of the spectrum?

    If this *is* the case, Republicans are somewhere in the middle right or just compleatly off the fucking chart in general(Where does corporatisim fit into the political spectrum lol?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirrus_Asura View Post
    Alright fair enough, thanks for the civility. I'll be polite and do the same.

    In response to me not totally condemning the government, I could argue that you lack the balls to give government all control? Since when did things have to be black or white?(Lolracisim)

    I do condemn government in 99.99% of all forms(Army, Roads, Police, the whole shibang-a-bang). A free market anarchist society can handle all these / other stereotypical "OMFG ANARCHY" issues just fine.

    I advocate for a Minarchist (Not Microanarchist?) government out of practicality. I'd rather wean people / the market off its growing depenency on the Gov. VS just taking it away in one sweep.

    That and the only thing in particular that I can't figure out is the enforcement of contracts without force in an Anarchist society, but I'm sure other anarchists can explain that one to me. That's really the only thing keeping me from hopping on to the Anarchy boat.
    In an Anarchist society, the police enforce contracts. Not sure where you got that there's no force in Anarchism, but Anarchism essentially works by pay out of pocket systems.

    I.e. a community needs police, so everyone pools together to pay people to be police officers.

    Anarchism is really nothing different except that you pay all the taxes upfront instead of over-time. I honestly don't see the appeal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhinox View Post
    No. I know you're not


    how about an answer to the first question. Do you agree with what Frankenbeans is saying about liberals? Or would you say its a meatball thing to say. I mean he doesn't even flinch when called out upon that all hes doing is parroting right wing nut jobs.
    Hmm, I didn't read it all and I'm not going to. I think there are 2 types of liberals. 99.999% of them are the honest kind. "It's a good thing if we help people who can't afford health care, therefor we should." Good intentions are what is important, which is fine, it's a valid position, but I do think some of the things Leif listed are the unintended consequences of liberal policies. Where I differ from Leif is that liberals intend the actual results. (Or what I think they are and we always debate.) .000001% are the other kind and can look at the facts and not give a shit, all they care about is power and creating that all important 51%, whereas my first category would look at the facts and want to fix govt.

    So Leif think's there's malicious intent, I don't always agree. Now I didn't sit there and read everything he said so don't crucify me. And I'm not gonna get into the racist stuff etc etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwampdonkeyPLD View Post
    Do you think Repub voters support pork projects of Repubs? I'm pretty sure most of them would scream hypocrite right along with you.

    And I still don't get this fascist Repub thing. The further right you go the less govt. is advocated. Fascism involves a lot of govt. involvement.
    Like telling people they can't have abortions, even in cases of incest and rape, telling people they can't get married if they're the same sex, telling people they can only get high, fat, medicated by power-hungry corporations that write FDA legislation. You realize we have LESS freedom under the current healthcare system, because we're financially imprisoned?

    You and all the other conservatives had a horrible tendency to run with idealism and literalism ( i.e. 5000 year old earth, socialism bad, death panels) without looking at the facts. And the worst part is you're being instigated by the very people that would take advantage of you to get their way.

    It's pathetic watching you guys get shut down when you're faced against a liberal in a debate, even your top guys that go on news networks get shut down repeatedly, which is why Billo has to shout guests down and cut mics.

    So in your little fascist world you people get all bent out of shape due to various social phobias and want to control people and government with your view, not use the participation of citizens in government to make quality of life better. And don't say "leave it to the states," a state government is a government and it's retard rhetoric because you don't have a real solution, just regurgitated dribble from your favorite TV and radio hate mongerers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Finesse View Post
    Like telling people they can't have abortions, even in cases of incest and rape, telling people they can't get married if they're the same sex, telling people they can only get high, fat, medicated by power-hungry corporations that write FDA legislation. You realize we have LESS freedom under the current healthcare system, because we're financially imprisoned?

    You and all the other conservatives had a horrible tendency to run with idealism and literalism ( i.e. 5000 year old earth, socialism bad, death panels) without looking at the facts. And the worst part is you're being instigated by the very people that would take advantage of you to get their way.

    It's pathetic watching you guys get shut down when you're faced against a liberal in a debate, even your top guys that go on news networks get shut down repeatedly, which is why Billo has to shout guests down and cut mics.

    So in your little fascist world you people get all bent out of shape due to various social phobias and want to control people and government with your view, not use the participation of citizens in government to make quality of life better. And don't say "leave it to the states," a state government is a government and it's retard rhetoric because you don't have a real solution, just regurgitated dribble from your favorite TV and radio hate mongerers.
    Why are you against state government again?

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    All that and not one single thing of value. This is what reading your posts is like.

    Obama said the money people will pay if they don't opt in to the government plan is not a tax. We also know people that don't pay that money will be jailed. So people won't be jailed for not paying their taxes, they will be jailed for going along with Obama's plan. How did it work in the U.S.S.R you went to the gulag or you got a bullet? So the only difference between Obama and Stalin is the degree of tyranny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwampdonkeyPLD View Post
    All that and not one single thing of value. This is what reading your posts is like.

    Obama said the money people will pay if they don't opt in to the government plan is not a tax. And we also know people that don't pay that money will be jailed. So people won't be jailed for not paying their taxes, they will be jailed for going along with Obama's plan. How did it work in the U.S.S.R you went to the gulag or you got a bullet? So the only difference between Obama and Stalin is the degree of tyranny.
    You're joking right? I mean I didn't think you were as batshit insane as Leif, just mildly retarded enough to feel sympathy for you but now I'm starting to think differently.

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    lol you called it.

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    I wooshed because swampy posted the same tinfoil hat shit as usual? Right, nice cover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwampdonkeyPLD View Post
    All that and not one single thing of value. This is what reading your posts is like.

    Obama said the money people will pay if they don't opt in to the government plan is not a tax. We also know people that don't pay that money will be jailed. So people won't be jailed for not paying their taxes, they will be jailed for going along with Obama's plan. How did it work in the U.S.S.R you went to the gulag or you got a bullet? So the only difference between Obama and Stalin is the degree of tyranny.
    yeah, it's a pretty fucking big degree of tyranny though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leif View Post
    Being liberal today is more about speech codes, higher taxes, state-sponsored racial discrimination, state-sponsored racial quotas, state-sponsored victim classes, pacifism, destroying Christianity, glorifying Islam, siding with the enemy, playing the he-who-gets-offended-first-wins game, making friends with socialist dictators, socializing domestic policy, abolishing foreign policy, ensuring America's public school children remain stupid, classifying speech liberals dont like as "hate speech", involvement with nasty unions, hiding what they really think, promoting abortion, funneling money to ACORN, calling people racist, nazis, fascists, evil, or extremists, asking what the American people want, then doing the exact opposite, punishing success, surrender, rewarding child-molesting teachers with 2 years of no teaching duties with full pay, rewarding failure, expanding welfare, race-baiting, hate crimes and thoughtcrimes, free speech zones, claiming there is no "liberal media", claiming the end of the republican party, trying to become more like europe, taking God out of the pledge, taking ten commandments out of courtrooms, claiming dripping water down a terrorist's nose is "torture", redistributing wealth, claim republicans use "code words" to represent racist ideas, use "choice" as a code word for "abortion", treason, cutting the national defense, spending on teacher unions, lowering school standards, hating america.

    There is nothing positive about liberals. Nothing. Not. One. Single. Thing. All they represent is restricting freedom, liberty, and prosperity.
    Besides what TV tells you, you don't actually know what the word "Liberal" means, do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skjie View Post
    Besides what TV tells you, you don't actually know what the word "Liberal" means, do you?
    Please don't even start with this shit, when 75% of people here are still convinced that Bush and the other Neocons are actually "conservative".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solefald View Post
    yeah, it's a pretty fucking big degree of tyranny though.
    And it's not Obama's tyranny either. It's Baucus & Grassley. Get your facts straight Swampy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirrus_Asura View Post
    Please don't even start with this shit, when 75% of people here are still convinced that Bush and the other Neocons are actually "conservative".
    Your country is so fucked up. I tried holding out from commenting for so many pages.

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    URINAL DICK RAPE

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    Oh americans, you do make me laugh. Ever heard the expression cutting off your nose to spite your face? That is this thread.

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