Ex-Perserverance, Dioma

[bechyni]

Yes, I realized after posting that he does in fact have 100 Clothcraft, hencewhy I edited my post. My bad, I fucked up. Doesn't change much though - you have a relic, and therefore should realize how much gil it takes. Can you fund 4 relics off of a craft in that short of a span? No, you can't. It took me a year and I spent about 60M total - half of what one relic would cost at market value.

Maybe you also didn't take the time to read Pers's relic upgrading rules either? Once upgrading up to stage 4 the shell would finish the last stage for you. You also missed the fact that his first relic(Aegis) was obtain from dynamis only up until the last 50~Silvers.

Not doubting that. A relic is reasonable. Two relics is somewhat reasonable. Three and a mythic in less than two years, while holding the LS bank, is not. Sorry pal. That's over 500M gil, and there's no goddamn way he made that from Clothcraft or standard LS payouts in that short of a span.

Again you don't take the time to look at anything do you? If you would actually researching something before spewing random assumptions like you've been doing this whole thread you would realize that he didn't have control of the bank until about 8~months ago. A previous sackholder had it up until then.

Maybe he wasn't stealing money from the bank. Maybe he was buying it. Who knows, but does it matter? If he did either one of these things, he's been cheating the system.

Maybe you still don't know what your talking about?

As for proof, all you need is a Perseverance member (not one that's in Volume with you now, obviously) to come on the thread and tell us where their bank is. If it's still sitting on Gilgamesh, I'll eat my words gladly. Or, if he can show transaction history for the hundreds of millions of gil that they've surely made, that'd be fine too. But I'm not going to wait for that for too long.

Can provide you with a monthly transaction from the day the shell started of items bought/sold by LS mules if you really want to go there, but I don't think you do. Also ask the Pers members that were on right before we left. I'm sure they wont mind telling you the Hagun/KO's that were given to them, or the bonus gil that he gave out aside from their normal gil splits.

[Ratatapa]

bechyni i want a hug

[Uryuu]

Go burn in the jungle. It's better than Korroloka anyway.

[bechyni]

Wow, I could clean this whole clusterfuck up in about 3 minutes since I was in the shell when it all happened. Eh, I'll let Bech decide if he wants me to or not (JUST BECAUSE YOU CHANGED SERVERS DON'T MEAN YOU DON'T OWE ME A FULL LENGTH ALBUM FUCKER). And for those wondering, Bechyni is the only person who has posted in this thread so far that was a current Pers member.

LOL, Dom I will gladly sing you a full album if you will shut this troll up.

[bechyni]

bechyni i want a hug

<3 Rata how you been :D

[NynJa]

No wonder failure is all up on his dick, makes sense now his ls recruits trash.

[FailureMidgard]

http://www.ffxiah.com/relics.php?ls=1169&dt=7

Taking out TFX and Narse (since I believe these two may have bank access, but again, I'm not in Apathy so this is just a guess) leaves you with 17 relics between 10 people. Also, as Uryuu said, Papy never even had access to the bank so he couldn't possibly be taking gil from it.

It makes sense for leaders to get more relics than regular members because they, by nature, have to attend more. Like Ratatapa said in the post above this one, it's reasonable to think that he'd be making a shit load of gil. Though I still have trouble believing it was enough to make 4 relics.

14/24 = 58.3% (Sack relics)
4/7 = 57.1%

Do you need Bank Access to skim? No. You think a leader won't look out for his sacks if he's skimming, give them a cut too? I'm not trying to accuse Apathy here, but really, their relics are concentrated on their leaders. Or do you think the other 4 people we got from Pers, none of which have relics, are all cool with Dioma stealing the fuck out of everything to get to 4 relics? You have 2 options at this point - 1. you can accept my statement that looking at 1 leader is dumb, and you should look at the leadership, in which case the ratio is the exact same as Apathy, or 2. you can say that Dioma cheated these other 4 that transferred with him too - in which case, explain why the fuck they are here, and why 1 of them is defending him in this thread.

wait wait, let me get this straight.

You guys in Dioma's shell are completely okay with him doing this?

Or are some of you not from his shell and just speaking your mind? I don't know who's who cause I don't even know who's in Dioma's shell, but the news of this boggled my mind.

From an outsider perspective, I'm under the impression he just took an entire linkshell's bank and hopped servers just to self-serve himself... Am I wrong on the facts? It came as a surprise for me since so many people defended Dioma in the thread that Nynja made a while back saying how great a leader he is...

Yes, you are. People hate people. Nynja and others hate Dioma, it's cool, we all accept that. People are blinded by hate. On the other hand, some people don't hate someone (btw, if it isn't clear from this thread, Nynja hates Dioma for the ah ranking thing), and do think he's a good leader. They were in the shell, they got good payouts. I'm not going to say that the rules of Pers were an epitome of fairness....I'll gladly disagree with some of them - but they were fucking rules that were out in the open and everyone agreed to, so fucking get lost. And again, he did payouts <1 hr before transferring, I was on vent with him as he was doing it.

Most of the people posting here and defending Dioma are in the shell that he migrated to, not the shell that he left.

Most the people accusing him have no relationship, ffxiah arch-nemesis, or got kicked out of his shell long in the past.

No i was in the shell on gilgamesh with him before i left

I left because i didn't like the guy but i liked the leader.


Yes he made a lot of gil, but he paid the people who did the stuff like they deserved.

So if what failure said is true he did not steal

Oh shit Therin, your world is shattering around you, what are you going to do now?

[FailureMidgard]

No wonder failure is all up on his dick, makes sense now his ls recruits trash.

You're the biggest joke on these forums, I don't even know why you came back. Even the other people that don't like Dioma don't take you seriously. People that have nothing to do with this thread don't like you.

You're butthurt over ffxiah ranking. If Dioma is some huge fucking thief, or tries to steal shit from people here, I'll kick him myself, but so far all I've seen is your retarded inane bullshit, and other baseless shit-flinging.

Don't worry, oh bastion of logic and reasoning though, he summoner burned his maat's cap just to beat you on ffxiah ranking, and he left a shell with bank access and moved servers to join a shell where he has no bank access so he could make more relics faster!

[Therin]

Oh shit Therin, your world is shattering around you, what are you going to do now?

Hey, I said I'd eat my words if someone could post some proof.

[Sumiko]

Yes, you are. People hate people. Nynja and others hate Dioma, it's cool, we all accept that. People are blinded by hate. On the other hand, some people don't hate someone (btw, if it isn't clear from this thread, Nynja hates Dioma for the ah ranking thing), and do think he's a good leader. They were in the shell, they got good payouts. I'm not going to say that the rules of Pers were an epitome of fairness....I'll gladly disagree with some of them - but they were fucking rules that were out in the open and everyone agreed to, so fucking get lost. And again, he did payouts <1 hr before transferring, I was on vent with him as he was doing it.

Wow :/ Chill out. I was just asking a question-- and I'm just surprised. Was I attacking you personally or something? If so, I apologize. It just happened so suddenly. He posted in the thread saying he wants new members for his shell at certain times, but then he decides to drop the shell and hop servers...?

Well then, if he didn't screw over anyone, that's fine. It looks like the members are fine with that too. I hope the sacks of the linkshell that he kept intact will continue to upkeep the presence of the shell that Dioma created, otherwise I'd feel pretty bad for the members for losing a shell that they were so happy to be a part of.

[Dominico]

Ooook, here we go.

1. Dioma left simply because his schoolwork was horribly suffering since leading the ls was basically a fulltime job. I can vouch for the fact that it didn't matter what time anything popped, he was on to tank it. Frankly, I don't know how the hell he managed to keep a sleep schedule.

2. Members didn't have access to the bank itself, but all transactions were public information. At the time he left, the bank had roughly 100 mil in it (don't feel like looking up the exact number). Now, I was still a trial member so I wasn't eligible for shit, yet I got about 1.5 mil for my troubles. A couple of other trial members got about the same, give or take. At the time he left, there were about 25ish members on the ls. Each member got a cut of the bank, though I don't know how much each got. I know some were getting higher than others since someone said "Finally can get a Hagun" right after he got a split. Now, from those 25 members, certain people were given cash to give to others who weren't on the ls (I can vouch since I was given close to 3 mil to give to a friend who wasn't on). So....yea. Don't think he left with everything like some random people are claiming. I'd be surprised if there was anything left in the bank at all. (Items like Ixion pieces, Cerb craftables, etc were also passed out) So the thread should probably read "Warning: Incoming bitchy taru to random server" instead of what it says now.

3. My only regret is that I didn't join sooner. I joined the shell in mid-January so I never got a chance to get anything. That Ace's helm that was autolotted 30 mins before I logged on about a month ago will always haunt me.

Spread the love.

[Ratatapa]

Dioma would cry if he learn that the "proof" comes from me

[FailureMidgard]

Wow :/ Chill out. I was just asking a question-- and I'm just surprised. Was I attacking you personally or something? If so, I apologize. It just happened so suddenly. He posted in the thread saying he wants new members for his shell at certain times, but then he decides to drop the shell and hop servers...?

Well then, if he didn't screw over anyone, that's fine. It looks like the members are fine with that too. I hope the sacks of the linkshell that he kept intact will continue to upkeep the presence of the shell that Dioma created, otherwise I'd feel pretty bad for the members for losing a shell that they were so happy to be a part of.

Sorry, I'm quite annoyed - and it has nothing to do with the fact he joined my shell, it's the fact that bullshit like this happens all the time to high-profile players in all MMOs. It's a huge pet-peeve of mine, and I really wish it wouldn't happen. It's a decent bit of work/effort to run a good/successful shell, and it's completely unrewarding usually. Going from a top-tier attendance member to a leader you gain absolutely nothing 99% of the time, but gain all sorts of headaches and bullshit, and then this stuff comes up. I'm not going to sit here and say that every leader is a good and fair one, but when people like Nynja sit here and accuse every leader with 4+ relics in Advanced, then comes here and accuses Dioma again after he already defended himself AND posted bank logs in advanced is ridiculous. At the very least, get some proof, get something more than a rumor you heard, or a count on how many relics he had. 4 relics in 2 years with LS assistance is not that hard of a task for a dedicated and intelligent player.



Anyway, this looks like /thread to me (but I'll gladly respond to anyone who wants to toss logic to the wind and be as unreasonable as posts thus far). At least 4 people have posted in this thread that were members at the end confirming what I've said and more. We recruited 4 members past Dioma who all thought he was a fair and good leader, none of which have any relics. Dioma was dedicated - on the other hand, right before the end, they'd have shit like a mandatory DI camp open...meanwhile 6 people were off doing augment fights, and acted like they were doing nothing wrong, while 3 others were scanning.

[bechyni]

Dioma would cry if he learn that the "proof" comes from me

I read him that post when he was otw home.. all he said was "WHAT!?" lol

[Demosthenes11]

Hey, I said I'd eat my words if someone could post some proof.

are you really asking for a fucking expense chart of where every k of gil came from?
you are a fucking idiot. Someone is rich, they must be cheating!

[Sumiko]

Sorry, I'm quite annoyed - and it has nothing to do with the fact he joined my shell, it's the fact that bullshit like this happens all the time to high-profile players in all MMOs. It's a huge pet-peeve of mine, and I really wish it wouldn't happen. It's a decent bit of work/effort to run a good/successful shell, and it's completely unrewarding usually. Going from a top-tier attendance member to a leader you gain absolutely nothing 99% of the time, but gain all sorts of headaches and bullshit, and then this stuff comes up. I'm not going to sit here and say that every leader is a good and fair one, but when people like Nynja sit here and accuse every leader with 4+ relics in Advanced, then comes here and accuses Dioma again after he already defended himself AND posted bank logs in advanced is ridiculous. At the very least, get some proof, get something more than a rumor you heard, or a count on how many relics he had. 4 relics in 2 years with LS assistance is not that hard of a task for a dedicated and intelligent player.

It's ok I can understand if you were annoyed. You're defending the status of your linkshell, something that you're a part of, and happy to be a part of! --Though now I am a little confused. I thought people said he hopped to Remora.. but you're on Phoenix? @_@ Oh well, that's not really important.

Yeah, I understand how being a leader is. Lots of nothing but lots of work. Blahblah, insert my story here, lol. I don't want to derail the thread, but Nynja is also one of those types of leaders. He does a lot of leadership work for little-to-no reward.

Everyone has their good and bad sides to them. I'm just relieved to hear that Dioma wasn't a thief. I don't know why it makes me angry to hear about leaders that ARE thieves, but it does, so I just wanted to clear things up. There are a few handful of nice people I have met in his shell and I would have given them my sympathies if they were screwed.

[Uryuu]

It's ok I can understand if you were annoyed. You're defending the status of your linkshell, something that you're a part of, and happy to be a part of! --Though now I am a little confused. I thought people said he hopped to Remora.. but you're on Phoenix? @_@ Oh well, that's not really important.

You're a little slow, aren't you?

[Izo]

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[Iremire]

You're a little slow, aren't you?

Thought the same thing, but he seems genuinely clueless.

[FailureMidgard]

It's ok I can understand if you were annoyed. You're defending the status of your linkshell, something that you're a part of, and happy to be a part of! --Though now I am a little confused. I thought people said he hopped to Remora.. but you're on Phoenix? @_@ Oh well, that's not really important.

Just adding to the ignorance...he went to Remora, he didn't split the bank, he doesn't have a craft, he got a maat's cap to beat nynja on ffxiah, etc.

Yeah, I understand how being a leader is. Lots of nothing but lots of work. Blahblah, insert my story here, lol. I don't want to derail the thread, but Nynja is also one of those types of leaders. He does a lot of leadership work for little-to-no reward.

Maybe so, but he's a huge troll here, he makes some of the worst accusations, with no proof whatsoever, because of what - people are ahead of him on ffxiah rankings? Needs to get over himself.

Everyone has their good and bad sides to them. I'm just relieved to hear that Dioma wasn't a thief. I don't know why it makes me angry to hear about leaders that ARE thieves, but it does, so I just wanted to clear things up. There are a few handful of nice people I have met in his shell and I would have given them my sympathies if they were screwed.

I agree, nobody is perfect. I'm an ass, I'm abrasive, I have no delusions I am perfect, I'm sure Dioma realizes he has some shortcomings too, doesn't make anyone entirely evil and wrong and a thief.