Doctor Who

[Myrrh_Quetz]

They really need to fix the writing though. I want to like both Capaldi and Jenna but with the stupid shit they're saying and doing. Its very hard to. I'm also still disappointed at how rushed Clara was as a companion. I think her Character needed a good season and a half(if not more) with the dying, saving the doctor thing again to really express what she did for him. Least in my opinion.

Edit, oh, and I'll post this in spoilers incase anyone wants to bitch

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When Smith called Clara at the end of Deep Breath. That was too soon in my mind. I think it should have been either at the middle of the season, or at the end of the season. Build up a bit of emotional connection between Capaldi and Clara, then throw that in. Would have been perfect

[Qeomash]

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The hell was this episode, I mean seriously? An attempt at the regular scary episodes with an idea that wasn't enough to fill an entire episode?

[TummieGaruda]

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The hell was this episode, I mean seriously? An attempt at the regular scary episodes with an idea that wasn't enough to fill an entire episode?

It is the worst out of the first 5 episodes trust me. The only good part I can say was

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The flashback showing the Doctor grew up in the barn that the War Doctor visited in the 50th Anniversary special and finding out that someone was pressing the Doctor to be a soldier

[Evane]

I liked it. Idk I guess I'm easy to please.

[Sunrider]

Kinda liked it... I wanted to like it; there were plenty of good elements, but it seemed like they didn't know where they wanted to take it.

'Let's chase after the ultimate hiding monster!
Or, how about we develop Danny Pink some more?
Let's do some nods to Clara's temporal peculiarities!
No, let's mention Gallifrey some more!'

I mean, why did they write off the monster as a figment of The Doctor's imagination, when something was clearly fucking with them in Danny's room?

And how's Clara gonna willfully leave out the fact she'd landed at the planet he's sort-of-but-not looking for?

'Oh btw, I landed at that home planet you lost only it was in your past but that shouldn't be a problem because instead of pulling some timey-wimey antics to determine it's current location in time and space let's just get out of here and never look back, okay?'

[Exoduso]

Well, it's my understanding that he can visit Gallifrey up until the point during which all the doctors save it in the xmas special last season... he just chooses not to.

I don't know, I also liked the episode myself. Maybe we are too easy to please, but anything that builds up Clara's story some more works for me.

[Galkaeater]

I mean, why did they write off the monster as a figment of The Doctor's imagination, when something was clearly fucking with them in Danny's room?

It was ment to be just a 'kid' fucking with them but to me that scene was to over the top for 'just a kid' to sit well with me, probably just poor writing.

[Thoronas]

This episode was WAY better then the Robin Hood episode. Also I feel like whatever he say at the end of time will be important later on. Definitely felt like two different episodes though. Also Jenna Coleman needs to be replaced post haste. Moffat doesn't seem to know wtf to do with her anymore.

[Myrrh_Quetz]

Shouldn't the planet still be time locked? I know that's never really meant anything but in terms of just stopping in for a quick visit, he shouldn't be able to. I'm sure we'll get some sort of explanation that Clara was able to break through the time lock due to her mind locking with the tardis or something like that.

[Sunrider]

Well, it's my understanding that he can visit Gallifrey up until the point during which all the doctors save it in the xmas special last season... he just chooses not to.

I don't know, I also liked the episode myself. Maybe we are too easy to please, but anything that builds up Clara's story some more works for me.

I dunno, it just seems crazy that he can't visit the planet in the past to do some Doctor-esque technical shit to track it's current location in time-space. Maybe like leave his screwdriver in a safe place to act as a homing beacon.

Although, I am loving the time Clara has been getting, her talent finally gets some notice.

It was ment to be just a 'kid' fucking with them but to me that scene was to over the top for 'just a kid' to sit well with me, probably just poor writing.

So you got this kid fucking about on the bed, under the blanket, adults are telling him to take the damn thing off and he's all 'fuck you,' getting off on creeping everyone out and getting off on the fact that they turn around and ignore him too, then just ditches the blanket and runs off without a peep.

Suddenly, the idea that it's just some really eerie kid is just plain funny... but still implausible.

Shouldn't the planet still be time locked? I know that's never really meant anything but in terms of just stopping in for a quick visit, he shouldn't be able to. I'm sure we'll get some sort of explanation that Clara was able to break through the time lock due to her mind locking with the tardis or something like that.

Thanks to the 50th anniversary fuckery, it never really was Time Locked.

See, Nine thought he Time Locked the war, or at least the planet. But at the end of the 50th, we see the Doctors pulling tricks to basically teliport it out of harms way, and before the War Doctor leaves, he points out he won't remember any of that, leading to why he thinks Gallifrey is Time Locked.


... or at least, I think. I'm having a hard time keeping track anymore.

[Intrinsic]

Can't believe this is getting worse. What did I just watch?

[Myrrh_Quetz]

The entire time war and any area it took place was Time Locked. That's why Dalek Khan went crazy when he emergency time traveled into it. Galifrey being there at the start of Nine's run shouldn't matter. Because before he activated/didn't activate the weapon, it still was a planet that existed.

The episode was just so poorly written. Is there someone in the shadows of every person or not? The Doctor having his be Clara answered nothing at all. Who was knocking on the door in the far off future? Why was Awesome Pink wearing a space suit from the year 5300?(The Doctor said he was from 100 years into Clara's Future, about 30 years after the Mars Mission. Tennant got his Space suit from the Impossible Planet) Who was the kid under the blanket? If it was actually a kid, how did it sneak into a room, jump on the bed, remain creepy as a fuck after 2 different adults told him to stop?

[fliprock]

I think Moffat is just setting up some stuff to carry throughout the season. There were a couple of things that didn't get answered as noted and so far the only constant in this season is that woman that met the people that died in the first two eps. The episode had potential but there was no actual threat, or maybe there was and it will come back later.

[Sunrider]

The entire time war and any area it took place was Time Locked. That's why Dalek Khan went crazy when he emergency time traveled into it. Galifrey being there at the start of Nine's run shouldn't matter. Because before he activated/didn't activate the weapon, it still was a planet that existed.

That's what I'm saying though, the 50th set it up that The Doctor never actually time locked the war, though.

Before the 50th, it was established that The Doctor used The Moment to lock the war at them moment the Daleks used the Cruciform to burn Gallifrey so that the High Council couldn't enact the Final Sanction. However, during the 50th we learn he didn't use The Moment, and upon returning to his timeline, transforms into The Ninth only thinking he used it. After that, anything involving the Daleks escaping the war had nothing to do with the lock--they just escaped the war.

(and for the record, Caan escaped long before the culmination of the war; remember that the Cult of Skaro was caught in The Bleed at the end of Army of Ghosts, when they came through the Genesis Ark. At the end of Evolution of the Daleks, he made an emergency escape which sent him unprotected through the time vortex, which was what drove him mad)

[Myrrh_Quetz]

No, the Time lock was placed by the Time Council or w/e so not to completely destroy the entire universe.

Caan went through the time vortex into the Time war and rescued Davros, his action of going into the Time locked time war is what drove him mad. The Moment wasn't used to lock the Time War, it was used to End it. The Doctor basically wanted to explode the entire Galaxy.

Davros was so super cocky about Dalek Caan breaking the Time Lock. No one but the Council knew of the Doctor taking the Moment. Davros was bragging that his mighty Daleks broke through the Time Lock.

[Sunrider]

... are we watching the same series?

The Council wanted to enact The Final Sanction, which involved rupturing the Untempered Schism, unmaking time-space and transforming the Time Lords into beings of pure consciousness, at the cost of the rest of the cosmos. Rassilon explained all this in The End of Time (explained at roughly the 44 min mark). He did this because of what, in an earlier episode, the Doctor explained as the Daleks getting their hands on a doomsday weapon of their own and fixing to burn Gallifrey.

Ask yourself: if the Council was responsible for the time lock, why would they have needed The Master to escape it? The lock wasn't the Council's doing, they could have cared less what happened to the rest of the universe; it was intended by The Doctor to lock the war out of time and space at the point of Gallifrey's destruction, preventing the Final Sanction, at the cost of Gallifrey.

As for Caan, you're right that he escaped into the Time War, but it was exposing himself to the whole of time that showed him the whole of the Dalek history, gave him precognition, allowed him to manipulate that entire season, and subsequently made him crazy.

[Myrrh_Quetz]

I wasn't thinking about the crazy council when I said "Council". I don't recall it ever being said who put up the time lock, just assumed it was the Time Lords.

I am 100% sure that the Moment wasn't a Time Lock though. It was a bomb with a consciousness.

[Qeomash]

I always assumed the time lock was a side effect of The Moment being used to end the Time War.

[Kaslo]

Wait, is the barn on gallifrey? I always assumed the war doctor meant to set that off on a nearby planet.

[Tidane]

On Gallifrey, as far as I could tell.

Thank the great dead wizard god that some people here thought the episode was bad. Everywhere else I went seemed to think it was one of the best episodes ever. Quite baffling.