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  1. #741
    Bagel
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    1st time AF3+2 set bonus procs with a relic(85) proc for me. Fapworthy? Idk. Nice to see? Definately.
    http://i55.tinypic.com/ve9g7c.jpg

    Edit: The crit that followed right after that did 1035dmg.

  2. #742
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenyx View Post
    Thought that was gonna be your 10k on Mict from last night, lol.
    http://hilltopgamers.com/images/10kfury.png

    But I believe that mob takes double damage so it's really only like a 5k A. Fury

  3. #743
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiendishone View Post
    Next stop 7k!
    http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...ighestQD-4.png
    Also of note, now 4/5 AF3 +2 and shiney new demon's ring with MAB +2.
    Ice day, Atma of the Baying Moon/Beyond/Ultimate. 11 Wizard's roll + Ascetic's.
    Would Smok+Amarok Atma be good for this? Or does the Fire damage+ cap out? Or is all that MAB just better.

  4. #744
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    http://i521.photobucket.com/albums/w...t/3737crit.jpg

    Acrane Circle and +35% crit dmg only~

  5. #745
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    Quote Originally Posted by ekky View Post
    http://i521.photobucket.com/albums/w...t/3737crit.jpg

    Acrane Circle and +35% crit dmg only~
    What job :O?


  6. #746
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    Apoc drk

  7. #747

    Quote Originally Posted by Karbuncle View Post
    How is this even possible?

  8. #748
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    SA or TA or SA+TA with set bonus proc.

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  10. #750
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sehrahin View Post
    Would Smok+Amarok Atma be good for this? Or does the Fire damage+ cap out? Or is all that MAB just better.
    I have not received my Advanced Mathologist degree so I don't know if I will do this right, but you're going to be looking at 60MAB vs 30 elemental attack. Using Fiendishone's gearset he has 19 MAB, 20 from SJ, and since I'm too lazy to figure out probabilities for Wizard's roll I'll cheat and use CDF's work and get an average 8.85 MAB. 2.5785 / 1.9785 = 1.3033x increase.

    Elemental attack is added to elemental affinity from staves, going from 1.45 (HQ staff and 1st major atma) to 1.75 is only 1.207x increase, its probably only worth it to change to the fire atmas on Firesday to get day bonus and avoid penalty on ice.

    Also, this is assuming that all Major elements are +30, I don't have either fire one so I can't verify it.

  11. #751
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    Quote Originally Posted by Villian View Post
    thats pretty hot, lol.

  12. #752
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimothy View Post
    Elemental attack is added to elemental affinity from staves, going from 1.45 (HQ staff and 1st major atma) to 1.75 is only 1.207x increase, its probably only worth it to change to the fire atmas on Firesday to get day bonus and avoid penalty on ice.
    I was under the impression that elemental attack was multiplied with staff bonus, so 1.3 * 1.15 as opposed to adding them to be 1.45. And for double fire atmas, I got 1.6 * 1.15 as opposed to adding them to be 1.75. I went out and double checked this to make sure.

    Regardless, MAB + beyond is better if you're doing ice quick draw + leaden salute, and 2x fire + MAB will be better for fire quick draw + wildfire.

  13. #753
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    I just checked the other day to see how it worked, after getting karkadan's atma I put it on with lion and ultimate to see some wtfawesome damage but was disappointed. So I went and tested it out and while from a thunder 3 with no atma or staff to one with both jumps to 1.6x, the damage from a no atma/indra +2 to lion/indra +2 is only 1.23x. Ill post the exact values when I ger home I'm on my phone atm.

    OK numbers:

    Thunder III, lightsday/darksday, all on the same DC lizard in Abyss Konschtat.

    Lion / no staff - 1056
    Lion + Indra+2 - 1305

    no atma/ no staff - 813
    Indra+2 - 1061

    Going from no atma or staff, 813, to having both equipped is 1.6. However, going from Indra to Indra/atma is 1305 / 1061 = 1.230, not 1.3 if they were applied separately.

  14. #754
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    I got completely opposite results. Baying moon was used to offset MAB from atma of Beyond, because I started to doubt any of the numbers and wanted to check whether Beyond and Baying Moon were the same 30 MAB.

    For base quickdraw values with staff and no staff
    417 dmg with Baying Moon, no staff
    478 dmg with Baying Moon + HQ Staff

    For verification that Baying Moon and Beyond gave the same MAB, and verification that Lone Wolf, Smoldering Sky, and Beyond gave the same elemental dmg+ bonus
    621 dmg with Baying Moon + Smoldering Sky + HQ Fire staff
    621 dmg with Beyond + Lone Wolf + HQ fire staff
    621 dmg with Beyond + HQ Ice staff

    766 dmg with Baying Moon + Smoldering Sky + Lone Wolf + HQ fire staff



    417 * 1.15 = 479 (478 actual)

    417 * 1.45 = 605 (621 actual)
    417 * 1.15 * 1.3 = 623 (621 actual)

    417 * 1.75 = 729 (766 actual)
    417 * 1.15 * 1.6 = 767 (766 actual)

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    Hmm, I'll try again in a bit with Thunder staff and Jupiter and see if it changes anything. Could be either that Magian staves somehow are calculated differently than HQ, or QD is different than magic.

  16. #756
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    I just realized that the staffs might be calculated differently and I'm in the middle of checking that. Unfortunately I'm going to be using 2 different EP lizards, but they're probably the same level and if they're not, the numbers shouldn't vary enough to matter. I doubt that QD is somehow multiplied different than elemental magic.

    -edit-
    974 No Staff + Baying Moon
    988 No staff + 5 extra int to offset aquilo's + Baying moon

    1137 HQ staff + Baying Moon
    1264 Magian + Baying

    1264 No staff + Beyond
    1477 HQ staff + Beyond
    1557 Magian staff + Beyond

    988 * 1.15 * 1.3 = 1477
    974 * 1.6 = 1558

    Magian Staff damage affinity is added to elemental atmas
    HQ staffs are multipled with elemental atmas.


    -edit2- I failed to notice a couple numbers didn't match. I went back and redid some bliz3s to check my numbers and found I wrote the staff + beyond damage wrong.

  17. #757
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    Quote Originally Posted by zagex View Post
    I just realized that the staffs might be calculated differently and I'm in the middle of checking that. Unfortunately I'm going to be using 2 different EP lizards, but they're probably the same level and if they're not, the numbers shouldn't vary enough to matter. I doubt that QD is somehow multiplied different than elemental magic.

    -edit-
    974 No Staff + Baying Moon
    988 No staff + 5 extra int to offset aquilo's + Baying moon

    1137 HQ staff + Baying Moon
    1264 Magian + Baying

    1264 No staff + Beyond
    1477 HQ staff + Beyond
    1577 Magian staff + Beyond

    988 * 1.15 * 1.3 = 1477
    974 * 1.6 = 1558

    Magian Staff damage affinity is added to elemental atmas
    HQ staffs are multipled with elemental atmas.
    Thats actualli some important info. I didn't realize there was a distinction between the elemental staff modifier and magian staff modifier. Good find!

  18. #758
    Bagel
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    This one actually surprised me yesterday, first time running around with AoA after getting it saturday, because I wasn't really trying on the lolAF3 +1 NM: no food or stalwart and /nin to get hints/proc it.

    Don't know if it's awesome, but it has potential to do more lol.

  19. #759

    http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x...126_103051.png

    Decided to brew a Kutharei as I was bored and wanted my boomerang. First Wildfire took it down to around 27%. Wasn't paying attention enough to care.

    Done on rng, using only ultimate and lone wolf as the DD atmas for wildfire. Lack smoldering sky, and didn't want to change to cor. Given this, I probably should have changed to cor. Would've been closer to a one shot. Not impressive, but eh, I felt semi good about it.

    With smoldering sky and being on cor though, using ascetic's with an 11 wizard's roll? Probably enough to one shot the bugger.

    When I get crour again, maybe I'll try to two shot Rani for kicks once I finish the corsair build, lol.

  20. #760

    Ls mate just did a 10,384 Ukko Fury to IronClad Smiter in altep was pretty funny to see let me get SS out~

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