New Yorkers angry for plans to build a giant Mosque near Ground Zero

[SephYuyX]

Im confused. Whats so harmful about:
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/6854/komarnomb.jpg
?

[Acturus]

Im confused. Whats so harmful about:
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/6854/komarnomb.jpg
?

This:

[Klaatu]

As someone said, it's disappointing to see that WTC hasn't been finished yet due to a lot of red tape and bureaucratic bullshit. Not to mention contract sales of labor under the table and pilfering of fund. I've seen so many skyscrapers rise in matter of few years, while this none sense happening to WTC site. Governmental projects take way to long to build compared to corporate projects.

[EternityEnd]

So you've managed to save Poland for Dawkins.(plus I dont care to spend a bunch of time reading every random Hitler book out there for refuting this further).
We've still got over 70+ million dead from the mass murderers alone within the 20th century and a very solid majority of the planet falling under my initial statement.(which btw is merely pointing out the silliness of saying that x cant go to Y place cause X's crazy inbred long lost cousin twice removed did something)
Alternatively where does that mean christian churches are allowed? What about Mongolians? They spread the black plague and destroyed enough knowledge in their rampages that human knowledge got set back quite literally by several centuries and the middle east ecologically went back to before human civilization existed.

Well then, this was certainly easier to win than a Plow debate. Savoring this.

[Plow]

Well then, this was certainly easier to win than a Plow debate. Savoring this.

brb building a church on the vacant lot where those 2 reporters were killed

[Kuya]

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2010...eauty-contests

They are all attractive, but this surprising frequency of Muslims winning beauty pageants makes me suspect an odd form of affirmative action.

Right on cue.

[Seanr]

I'm not in favor of terrorism or anything... but why not let them build their shit there?

[Alleya]

Because 9/11. I mean, read the thread!

[Kuya]

How some people in a country that is and was at war in two muslim countries and is currently bombing a third think that it's going through a process of "islamization" is astounding.

[Jaybar]

Maybe that's why England didn't want to go to Iraq? I mean come on, Crusades man. That would have been insensitive.

[Seanr]

That's cuz we're not blowing up with the bombs.

[Elvis]

I'm not in favor of terrorism or anything... but why not let them build their shit there?

I KNO RITE?

[Elvis]

I can understand how these people feel, but I'd have to dumb myself down and then think irrationally.

On the flip-side, a 'Museum of Tolerance' is currently being built on top of a historic cemetery where many Palestinians are buried going back centuries or something. That to me is a better example of being blatantly insensitive.

If they built this Mosque on top of Ground Zero, then sure, I could 'understand' the anger. I'd also wonder, why the fuck would they build anything other than another set of towers (to show how we 'rebuilt'/recovered/etc.) or a giant memorial.

But this thing is not on top of Ground Zero. It's near it, but it's not like the 'Museum of Tolerance' being built on another peoples' cemetery...

[Plow]

Buildings that were destroyed by parts of the planes when it happened aren't a part of ground zero?

[Elvis]

How some people in a country that is and was at war in two muslim countries and is currently bombing a third think that it's going through a process of "islamization" is astounding.

I love the word 'Islamization' - just shows you how little political capital Muslims have. And how the powerful always portray themselves as victims.

Sophistry like that requires you forget it's us occupying two 'Islamic' countries. Iraq, invaded and wrecked. Iran in the cross-hairs. And business as usual in Israel-Palestine.

I don't even know what 'Islamization' means w/ respect to the efforts to assimilate other large minorities into a host country. I would assume this process is exacerbated by the fact that we are at war w/ the Arab-Islamic world (colonialism/imperialism: propping up human garbage for leaders in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, etc. and the usual song and dance, divide and conquer).

Here's a picture of what I would think is '[insert your religion here]-ization':

http://mondoweiss.net/images/2010/05/settlers.jpg

Photographer: Ahmad Gharabli/Agence France-Presse/Getty Images, from the Wall Street Journal's "pictures of the week" for the past week. Reports the Journal: "FACING A CROWD: A Palestinian woman whose house has been occupied by Jewish settlers argued with Israelis who came to celebrate Jerusalem Day in the mainly Arab neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah, East Jerusalem, Wednesday.

[Elvis]

Buildings that were destroyed by parts of the planes when it happened aren't a part of ground zero?

Do those people lose control of that property, after 9/11?

The building, which was damaged by the fuselage of one of the hijacked planes, is at 45 Park Place - just two blocks from Ground Zero.

It formerly housed a Burlington Coat Factory store. The store's two selling floors were destroyed when the landing gear from one of the planes tore through them during the attacks.

So, how did the Islamic whatever obtain the rights to build there? Is Burlington Coat Factory going to protest too?

You're right though, I would consider that Ground Zero, but not in the same vein as my example.

[AidenCarby]

It's ok, we'll drive planes into them next September.

[Seanr]

It's ok, we'll drive planes into them next September.

Never Forget.

[Apelila]

You know, I can understand the stupid behind the hate directed at this. I don't support it, but I can understand it. Its just misplaced anger.

Maaaaybe having the start date of construction being 9/11/11 isn't the brightest of ideas though. Just saying.

[Kurokikaze]

Yeah I personally don't have a problem with it and feel that anyone upset by this is jumping to the assumption that all Muslims are terrorist. Can't hold the entire group of people responsible for the actions of a few.

But then I'm just like... Really? They couldn't have picked a different date? It's like they want to piss people off. Almost troll-like.