Conjurer

[Kaeko]

I think sacrifice works better because you get the Regen "Buff" attached with it. So even if a player you cure is at max HP, you are still given the chance to proc a skill up because technically you are giving them a beneficial status effect as well.

In general, the best way to increase class skill is by increasing the number of "attempts" - either by fighting multiple enemies or buffing/curing multiple allies. There's a whole QQ thread on Core about it being an "exploit". Get as many friends in a party as you can up to 15, spam buffs/sac and every cast you get x15 chances at a skill up proc. That's how people are leveling so fast into the high 20s probably.

[Maguspk]

Yeah the Sacrifice/Buffing is what people are using to reach Rank 20+. I wouldn't be opposed to trying out this exploit next time I get on I'm going to get THAUM to 4 and try to get a group going.

[MrSamuels]

Seems Shell is going to be pretty overpowered in this game once again. Just go from personal experience when fighting imps. No shell Blizzard II would hit for around 300-400, with shell on it would only do a maximum of 100, obviously there is no maths behind this yet, but with the amount of level 20 leves that have imps i have noticed this a lot.

Protect does not seems as over powered but does seem to help in the reduction of TP related abilities against you a lot more then normal attacks for some reason.

[HumsterMKII]

Yeah the Sacrifice/Buffing is what people are using to reach Rank 20+. I wouldn't be opposed to trying out this exploit next time I get on I'm going to get THAUM to 4 and try to get a group going.

Don't do it dude...

We have confirmed an issue where players may be able to obtain abnormal amount of skill points while fighting in a party as Conjurer or Thaumaturge. The issue is currently being addressed.

Also we would like to remind that repeating this method intentionally to obtain abnormal amount of skill point is considered as fraudulent behavior. With players who have abused this method, an investigation shall be made and their account may be suspended in case we determine it to be malignant. The investigation is expected to take a while until the completion. For those of you who have abused this method, please report yourself through GM Call. By reporting yourself in, GM will correct the amount of skill point you have gained and the penalty to your account will be exempted.

We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused.

http://support.na.square-enix.com/ne...a58df0c719ee44

[MrSamuels]

Wonder how they will determine who abused it and who hasn't, i have duo'd all of my leves so far so have always been using cure to heal us, not that i am rank 29 or whatever but i can probably see a lot of innocent people being banned here also lol

[BRP]

Fucking awesome

[Palin]

There's a clear difference between exploiting and what I posted. All I posted was healing strategies in parties. If they try to ban people for spamming cure while parties do leves, then fuck this game. They better get it right and hit he people who were sitting there engaged to a mob and not attacking it, and exploiting the surplus system through Guardian's Favor.

[Sephiroth]

Which stat makes Spirit Dart more accurate?
Guessing PIE.

[Lucavi]

There's a clear difference between exploiting and what I posted. All I posted was healing strategies in parties. If they try to ban people for spamming cure while parties do leves, then fuck this game. They better get it right and hit he people who were sitting there engaged to a mob and not attacking it, and exploiting the surplus system through Guardian's Favor.

Sounds like that's just what they're trying to do. I can't see SE figuring out a way to address skillup points being distributed from casting buffs on party members during leves and not during leves (which is what gives the mass XP) or addressing skillup points being distrubted from casting buffs on party members during and not during leves (which is what innocent people like you and I are doing). We're just not doing it as much as they are.

See the problem? How can SE tell outside of simply looking at everyone's EXP and banning people who are 20+ in conj? How can SE "nerf" skill gains off of helpful buffs on party members during a fight without making it so that conj no longer gains skillups from buffing party members during a fight?

If it was another company, I'd have faith that they could walk the line, but I see SE just cutting the percent chance of skillups like by 75% or something, and then making it so that if you have more than 2-3 people in your party, you will no longer get skillups -at all- from buffing/curing them.

We'll see what happens, but this could be hilarious in a few days as people play around with it.

[Meko]

OMG!! They'd better not nerf Shock Spikes too! If they do, Ima cry!

[Cooleko]

They cant just ban people for spamming cure. My wife an I are legitimately 16 conj 16 phys. lvl 20 levequests require cure and stoneskin spam to survive. Lvl 20 monkey require the same strategy... It staying alive while getting off as many spirit darts and Radiances as possible.

If you had abused this system it will be exceptionally easy for SE to find. If your Rank is higher than your physical lvl by a large amount then you used the exploit.

However, preventing skillups entirely is a little extreme.

[Dantrag]

It does suck ass. Shit like this happens in EVERY mmo that comes out. A few people completely abuse some system and then everyone else gets nerfed. Sucks ass. I was able to get some really good skill from actually playing the game it was intended. But most likely, not anymore.

[ramp]

Did anyone do any testing in regards to elemental resistances in terms of added damage ? ie which one to dump points into, stick to one, or two, or jack of all ?

Furthermore what seems to work atm is boost Vit+Pie, then Mnd; I'm wondering how much int actually matters in the damage per point.

[Lucavi]

They cant just ban people for spamming cure. My wife an I are legitimately 16 conj 16 phys. lvl 20 levequests require cure and stoneskin spam to survive. Lvl 20 monkey require the same strategy... It staying alive while getting off as many spirit darts and Radiances as possible.

If you had abused this system it will be exceptionally easy for SE to find. If your Rank is higher than your physical lvl by a large amount then you used the exploit.

However, preventing skillups entirely is a little extreme.

They don't care about you and your wife, either in the sense that your level is 16 or that you need to spam cures/stoneskin to survive. They're going after the 25+ after 4 days of playing.

[Vuitton]

Fairly certain it is easy for SE to run a report showing all Rank 20+ Conjurers and Thaumaturges by server, and then look at the amount of time it took for them to rank up each level, and then look at how many times they've cast specific spells. Then:

-Filter out all the players that didn't rank up extremely fast.
-Filter out all the players with similar casts of Sacrifice as those previously filtered out.

This would leave a list of players who leveled up extremely fast and also have a large cast amount of sacrifice (compared to other players). Then they would have to have the GMs contact each player on the list and interrogate them, punish them, ect. The whole process is simple but time consuming, which is why they want players to come forth to speed things up.

Also, I am sure the amount of time it took them to hit Surplus Thresholds will also be a large factor that says, "HI I RANKED UP SUPER FAST." Which will probably auto-flag them onto the list to be examined.

And if you even think you might end up on that list "accidentally", all you have to do is tell a GM you might have accidentally exploited and they examine your account to see if you did. If you did they fix you. If you don't they leave you alone. And either way you're not in trouble because they said they'll let you go without any marks against your account for turning yourself in.

[Murureru]

I was in one of these partys a couple of days ago, 14 jps and just me from a blind invite.

I wasn't in the party very long and I never even thought they were exploiting a bug tbh.

I'm wondering if I should let a GM know or not? I'm only 16 though and I wasn't spamming Sacrifice, just Cure.

[cococola]

Wand + Shield are amazing for leveling. It reduced the damage by about 25-30% for normal melee moves. Makes life SO much easier. I can easily kill orange mobs and not worry about dieing. Cure, Spirit Dart, Guard, Spikes make life easy.

Thanks for the tips, hadn't thought of getting a wand + shield... I was content with my staff, but now!

[Katlan]

anybody do any testing after the patch to see if conj get skill ups from curing / buffing still? Not even talking about the exploit, I want to know in general

[Lyramion]

Yes you do, they prolly only removed the Guardians Aspect superbuff and the 15x chance of skillup in a full partally

[ramp]

I'm not gaining any skillups _at all_ when doing 4 leves with a few friends, seems they killed the class already.

edit. only spirit dart/dd nukes seem to generate any points now.