Pugilist

**aru** · 2010-10-10 18:33

To anyone that has bought Prime Conditioning:
Does it increase healing on everything? Cure and sacrifice seems obvious, but does it also increase the regen effect, does it work on Second Wind, potions, Bloodbath, etc?
Is the effect nerfed when set to a class besides PUG?

**Darus Grey** · 2010-10-10 19:43

Originally Posted by Cureslime

Hawksbill Shell --> Tortoiseshell is goldsmithing and requires high level leatherworking as well (still get the "you suck at leatherworking" message at rank 18.) People say anglers can drop them as well as some humanoids but I haven't seen an angler drop one yet.

Our GS couldn't even attempt the synth until like 28, and then can't even make it at 32, hasn't tried at 35 yet I believe.

**Cureslime** · 2010-10-10 21:18

Originally Posted by Darus Grey

Our GS couldn't even attempt the synth until like 28, and then can't even make it at 32, hasn't tried at 35 yet I believe.

*sigh* makes perfect sense that an item for a lvl26 weapon would take a craft at level 30+ with a subcraft at 20+ to make. Oh wait no it doesn't. Goddamn S-E.

**Twentytwo** · 2010-10-11 02:39

You guys mostly using Light Strike or Heavy?

**Dense** · 2010-10-11 03:08

Originally Posted by Twentytwo

You guys mostly using Light Strike or Heavy?

Did you read the descriptions? Use light strike when you need evasion and defence, and Heavy strike to do a touch more dmg for your stamina.

**lheoric** · 2010-10-11 08:36

Originally Posted by Cureslime

*sigh* makes perfect sense that an item for a lvl26 weapon would take a craft at level 30+ with a subcraft at 20+ to make. Oh wait no it doesn't. Goddamn S-E.

You need GS 26 and LW 25 to even attempt the hawksbill > tortoiseshell synth with a horrible success rate so higher gs would be better. The weapon however can be made very easily at 26 so as always the materials are harder to make than items.

**Priran** · 2010-10-11 09:01

Originally Posted by Twentytwo

You guys mostly using Light Strike or Heavy?

if it's green or above, I Light Strike every once in a while for the buff, then use Pummel (or heavy strike if you don't have that yet).

Stances were removed after like alpha or some shit, and I don't think the buff stacks with itself, so the only thing spamming Light Strike gets you is lower DoT.

**Gulkeeva** · 2010-10-11 09:27

Light strike -> pummel -> pummel -> pummel -> aura pulse -> concussive blow 2 -> pummel -> aura pulse -> concussive blow -> its probably dead (green/yellow con wolves east of camp glory)

**Almalexia** · 2010-10-12 00:00

Okay, what am I missing about Pummel? As far as I can tell, it does the same damage as Heavy Strike and nets the same amount of TP. I am rank 20.

**Twentytwo** · 2010-10-12 00:55

I agree pummel is slower and seems like it sucks to me, no?

**KarrilDaltaya** · 2010-10-12 08:40

Alright, since this is standard i feel safe asking: Seriously, wtf am i supposed to wear for armor? It seems almost all the gear i come across isnt 'recommended' for pug. Does that matter? Any help would be appreciated. How long should i tough it out with the starting weapons? My goldsmithing is coming up, but i cant seem to find where to get some of the items to make a bone weapon.

**Cureslime** · 2010-10-12 09:31

Originally Posted by KarrilDaltaya

Alright, since this is standard i feel safe asking: Seriously, wtf am i supposed to wear for armor? It seems almost all the gear i come across isnt 'recommended' for pug. Does that matter? Any help would be appreciated. How long should i tough it out with the starting weapons? My goldsmithing is coming up, but i cant seem to find where to get some of the items to make a bone weapon.

Tunics, Harnesses, Jackets, Barbuts, Sallets, Subligars, Wristguards, Shoes are all good.

A harness, a barbut, a subligar, and a wristguard cost basically nothing and you're almost completely pimped out just from that. Unless you find cheap Bronze Knuckles in a bazaar just buy the 90k vendor weapon (Dodoskin Cesti.)

**KarrilDaltaya** · 2010-10-12 10:32

Now i just have to get up 90k for that cesti -chuckle- I am just starting out, so the cash isnt rolling in yet. Bleh, i been trying to level my gathering and crafting though. Hopefully i can make some money this week.

**Almalexia** · 2010-10-13 18:23

I tested Pummel myself since I didn't get a response from here or ZAM. I apologize if this is olde news or obvious; it was new to me.

Crosspost from ZAM PGL board:

Pummel is not what I thought it was.

At the outskirts of Camp Bloodshore, I punched a blue con Ladybug once with Heavy Strike and once with Pummel. Heavy returned 761TP, Pummel over 1200TP. Clearly, then, Pummel is a TP hoarding move--but! Then I went to punch a blue con aldgoat nanny. Heavy returned 785TP, Pummel 493TP. This is with no misses and no extra TP from hits, evasions or TP enhancing abilities.

So, what gives? I never noticed until now, but PGL does not always attack twice. A single Heavy/Light/Pummel input does not grant the "Number of attacks: 2" on our weapons all the time. The number of attacks that connect will award TP accordingly; a 2-fold Heavy Strike probably will outdo a 1-fold Pummel in TP gain on the same target.

Things get more complicated: I next engaged a yellow con crab and luckily got 2-fold attacks from both Heavy Strike and Pummel: Heavy returned 333TP, Pummel 392TP. Pummel offers no advantage against this target at all.

I have good reason to believe the promised TP bonus from Pummel varies with other TP gain mechanics. Superficially, we can easily see how crabs return notoriously little TP, whereas "softer" mobs return more. This plays to Pummel's benefit. In the case of the ladybug, Pummel awarded almost 100% more TP than Heavy Strike for only 33% more stamina--talk about a bullet train to Victimizeville!

Since both Heavy and Pummel deal the same amount of damage and have (presumably) the same chances to punch once or twice, I will conclude by saying Pummel is no replacement for Heavy Strike like some kind of "Heavy Strike II" for the sophisticated PGL. Pummel is not useless, though; it costs no AP to equip so its effectiveness can be gauged on a new mob type in a round or two.

As usual, sh*t is situational.

**Twentytwo** · 2010-10-13 21:03

I just got Flurry, although I'm not 40 yet (I'm 30) as of right now it's doing about 5-7 points per swing less damage than heavy strike and pummel, anyone else play with this yet?

**Gulkeeva** · 2010-10-13 22:16

oh man lv30 for flurry, guess I need to work on lvling physical more ;/

**mdkuser** · 2010-10-14 03:16

Originally Posted by aru

To anyone that has bought Prime Conditioning:
Does it increase healing on everything? Cure and sacrifice seems obvious, but does it also increase the regen effect, does it work on Second Wind, potions, Bloodbath, etc?
Is the effect nerfed when set to a class besides PUG?

it says all forms of healing. It works for second wind for sure.

**Twentytwo** · 2010-10-14 05:40

It does work for second wind/regen and regular heals

**aru** · 2010-10-14 10:22

That's amazing. I thought for sure SE wouldn't have it affect regen.
Looks like it's going to be one of those traits that just about everyone should have regardless of class.

**miokomioko** · 2010-10-14 15:29

The new "you're gimp if you don't have" trait.

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