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    Chhir Batti - Thundaga III on light day

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    Death Ray is able to proc yellow !! as well~

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    Cirein-Croin Thundaga 3 on Lightsday pop. Unsuccessful proccing on the next 2 pops on Darksday, no Blue Mage or Nin however...

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    So the general consensus is that the current and previous days elements are what can proc !!, but what the element aligned with about the day after?

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    Well, if you look at Kirschy's list, you can see that there are four cases where the spell of the following game day procced it. They're badly outnumbered, but they do exist:

    Quote Originally Posted by Kirschy View Post
    I decided to leave out any ambiguous data. There were a handful of entries where 2-5 spells landed in the same time frame as the log message showed up.

    Code:
    Green !!
    Spell - Day
    -----------
    Flash - Thunder
    Dispel - Fire
    Thunder 3 - Thunder
    Thunder 3 - Light
    Aero 4 - Ice
    Fire 3 - Dark
    Stone 4 - Fire
    Bio 2 - Fire
    Banish III - Light
    Fire 3 - Fire
    Aero 3 - Ice
    Cryohelix - Ice
    Thunder 3 - Ice
    Blizzard 3 - Thunder
    Thunder 4 - Light
    Thunder 4 - Light
    Flash - Dark
    Flash - Dark
    Blizzard 3 - Thunder
    Blizzard 3 - Thunder
    Blizzard 3 - Wind <--- Next game day
    Aero 4 - Wind
    Thunder 3 - Ice <--- Next game day
    Blizzard 3 - Thunder
    Dispel - Light <--- Next game day
    Drain - Dark
    Thunder 4 - Thunder
    Aero 3 - Wind
    Wind Threnody - Ice
    Water Threnody - Thunder
    Aero 3 - Wind
    Firespit  - Fire
    Water 4 - Earth <--- Next game day
    Stone 4 - Earth
    Water 4 - Ice <--- popped on Windsday
    If Kirschy can see anything similar between those procs, maybe she can tell us why!

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    It then deaggrod while i was kiting it around the rock by the conflux, and then Thunder 3 began to stagger it instead of Bio 2.

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    Red !!s work with the day of the week theory. We proced a dozen or so Red !!s last night and all of them fit in the day before, day of. None of them were day after, but 12ish isn't a huge sample.

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    I triggered !! on brooder with drain1 2 different times. Once on lightsday, once on firesday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taint View Post
    Red !!s work with the day of the week theory. We proced a dozen or so Red !!s last night and all of them fit in the day before, day of. None of them were day after, but 12ish isn't a huge sample.
    If this is true, would that effectively narrow down Atma WS proc down to like, 4-5 WSs per game day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taint View Post
    Red !!s work with the day of the week theory. We proced a dozen or so Red !!s last night and all of them fit in the day before, day of. None of them were day after, but 12ish isn't a huge sample.
    Based on what though? Their elemental property? Their SC properties?

    Elemental property, from a post on this page alone, hurts your theory:
    Quote Originally Posted by mackerel View Post
    lacovie - freezebite - iceday 12:45
    mictlantecuhtli - shadow of death - iceday 21:45
    lacovie - tachi:koko - iceday 23:25
    mictlantecuhtli - freezebite - lightsday 11:25
    Iceday is nowhere near the darkness element of shadow of death, nor is lightsday near the ice element of freezebite. I'd recommend someone (else, because I allready did it for green) go through the thread and find all the WS/day posts pertaining to red, and post them all in one page. A larger sample will help locate a pattern and weed out any human error posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byrthnoth View Post
    Well, if you look at Kirschy's list, you can see that there are four cases where the spell of the following game day procced it. They're badly outnumbered, but they do exist:

    If Kirschy can see anything similar between those procs, maybe she can tell us why!
    9/27 - 21:49:46 - Blizz 3 - Eve - (Windsday) - (Popped on Windsday)
    9/27 - 22:49:07 - Thunder 3 - Vileberry - (Iceday) - (Popped Iceday)
    9/28 - 23:48:49 - Cep-Kaumy - Dispel - (Lightsday) - (Popped Lightsday)
    10/4 - 20:47:08 - Ironclad Severer - Water IV - (Earthday) - (Claimed Earthday)

    I don't know what those have in common. I went through my logs to check on pop/claim day just to be sure. Unless I missed up the RL Time->Vana Time, they seem to indicate at least a small chance to proc !! on day after~

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    Flame Skimmer - firesday - red lotus blade - red !! proc
    Funeral apkallu - earthsday - shadowstitch - blue !! proc
    Minax Bugard - earthsday - shadowstitch - blue !! proc

    And those were pop/claim days, and kills. Ask fast and i may remember other details

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    The only thing potentially that seems plausible is the day could have a bonus to create a correlating weakness to the element. The problem is even with all the examples in this thread it's a drop in the bucket. We just don't nearly enough data to figure out whether there are patterns to weaknesses. Certain NMs may also have different mechanics too so how are we to account for undetermined factors like that?

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    Cirein-croin - popped Earthsday - Seraph strike red !! still on Earthsday

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    koki Red !! on itzopropyl or whatever, quest boss of attowa. Current day is lightnings but its 3:00 now so might have popped last day.
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    interesting fact: Fanatics drink is completely worthless on this Nm, i popped one and 2 houred, and its attacks went straight through.

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    If you mean fanatic's tonic, I think that useless sucker just gives you +defense or something >_> Doesn't give invin like powder does.

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    ooh.. I dont exactly remember what its name was now. I had the other person use a fools drink or whatever at 5% but it died too fast to hit him

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    Nonno - Popped Darksday - Aspir (cast from Dark Spirit) - Grellow !!

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    AND NOW , start brainstorming for blue !!! triggers

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    Blue is hard for a lot of reasons. Here is a list of all the reported Blue !!s from this thread (I've noted the ones that were reported >2 times:
    Heavy Shot x2
    Evisceration
    Tachi: Yukikaze
    Sidewinder x2
    Guillotine
    Evisceration
    Skullbreaker
    Howling Fist
    Blade: Ku
    Arching Arrow x2
    Savage Blade
    Vorpal Blade x2
    Dragon Kick
    Mistral Axe
    Decimation
    Spinning Attack
    Shadowstitch x2
    Howling Fist
    Tachi: Kasha
    Vorpal Thrust
    Cross Reaper
    .... Lucky Lulush's Foot kick?


    Solid, definite:
    Tachi: Gekko
    Asuran Fists
    Dancing Edge
    Spinning Slash
    Shark Bite

    Superficially, I'd recommend people at least use their WSNM WS. Remember that you have to time it for when the monster isn't readying/using a TP move or casting. I've been spending the last few days on WAR triggering Red !!s, so I realize exactly how hard that is. If you're trying to push it out and don't care exactly which WS did it, Stun -> WS may be a good way to go.

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