Abyssea NM Weaknesses

[Deadhands]

Usurper - Tachi: Gekko - Iceday - Blue !!

[Shenrien]

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yay... so glad staggering vnms does something, staggered about 4 of them with jinpu / koki and no key item upgrade :/

[Byrthnoth]

yay... so glad staggering vnms does something, staggered about 4 of them with jinpu / koki and no key item upgrade :/

Yeah.... idk what it does, but it sure doesn't force an Abyssite upgrade. I've staggered them with Cyclone too.

[Kurgan]

I don't think that triggering the mob's weakness has any affect on upgrading VNM abyssite. Abyssite upgrade just seems random. And of course when you're trying to get an item drop from Tier 2 VNM and you manage NOT to trigger any "!!" before it dies, you get no items and an abyssite upgrade.

[Tonberrry]

True Strike- Chukwa Lightsday Full Moon "!!"

Edit: Blizz3 just triggered it to stagger magic? didn't see any "!!"s

[home]

Wherwetrice

Blizzard 3 !! - Lightningsday
Bio 2 !! - Lightsday
Bio 2 !! - Darksday

[Tribe]

Out of curiosity, in my group we have been bringing as many different weapon types with elemental weaponskills as we could, but is this not needed? can you just Spam smething like Tachi: Jinpu and eventually get the !!?

[Fievel]

Out of curiosity, in my group we have been bringing as many different weapon types with elemental weaponskills as we could, but is this not needed? can you just Spam smething like Tachi: Jinpu and eventually get the !!?

My understand is no, mob pops with a certain WS that will proc red !!

may be wrong though.

[FailureMidgard]

Red !! = Freezebite, Cyclone, Energy Drain, Earth Crusher, Sunburst, Seraph Blade, Red Lotus Blade, Seraph Strike, Raiden Thrust, Shadow of Death, Blade: Ei, Tachi: Jinpu, or Tachi: Koki - Use to force a key item drop. Atma, Abyssite, or Tier 2 NM pop item.

Ok, so I'm 100% sure this list is missing a weaponskill, and in general most of what I've seen suggests it's missing exactly 1 weapon skill...do we have any idea what the last one could be (rumors you've heard of another proc, unverified, etc)?

[Shenrien]

I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be a 1H axe WS, altho when procing red !! we've used all those WS at the proper time, and managed to get the !! to show, never once had an issue with it not showing up with any of the 13 WS

[Obsidian]

Forgive me if it's already been adressed and I'm just slow, but I only see Blade: Ei listed, while Katana also has Blade: Teki, Blade: To, and Blade: Chi. Unless I'm missing something those are all elemental weaponskills with no HQ alternatives (well, Blade: Yu is water based I think) but aren't listed in that list of skills to try. Any reason for that?

[Cantih]

This is NOT a final list, but it is the one I present to my LS for testing. It's very likely a bunch of them aren't triggers, but until we're damned sure, it's what we use.



(It's arranged to the "day of week" theory obviously)

[Thorny]

flaming arrow and hot shot don't even give amber light, think it's safe to say they aren't

[Dammerung]

Ironclad Pulverizer is annoying.. took 3 tries of raiden thrust to hit. Popped on earthsday, so I wouldn't align red !! with the same theory as grellow !!. Also hit koki and red lotus on earthsday on other NM.

[Massimo]

We tried every single one of the 13 weaponskills on Pulverizer yesterday, at least 3 times each, in head mode, and we just couldn't get it to proc. There has to be missing one, as I saw all of them go through clean at least once.. deaggroed it and Shadow of Death worked.

[Guitarman]

I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be a 1H axe WS, altho when procing red !! we've used all those WS at the proper time, and managed to get the !! to show, never once had an issue with it not showing up with any of the 13 WS

Primal rend gives amber iirc, but it's quested, so it shouldn't work. Infernal scythe gives amber, but it's not listed on those lists.

[bungie]

dispel deep into darks day triggered weak point~ rapter nm in mis

fire4 on bugard nm, darksday

[Karbuncle]

More support to the "Day before/current/after" Theory.

Abyssea - Vunkerl >

Djinn: Thunder III on Lightning's Day.
Funguar: Flash on Lightsday, and Drain on Firesday
Puk: Flash on Darksday

There were a few more, But they all lined up exactly with the current Theory of Element matching Day Before/Current/After.

[fab]

Smok - Refulgent Arrow - Blue !! Earth day

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/6716/smokxd.jpg

Iku Turso - Asuran Fists - Blue !!

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[Byrthnoth]

This is what I originally got:

Well, it may be worth looking at what WSs proc Red !!s first because blue may follow a similar organizational scheme and red is bound to be simpler. Also, because magic WSs are worthless and unlikely to be used otherwise, there should be no ambiguity about it. Reports should be accurate.

From scanning the thread:
Dagger - Energy Drain and Cyclone, [Energy Steal has been reported once by Stoomie, but may be a mistake]
GKT - Koki, Jinpu, [Goten and Kagero (both a la Clave)]
Katana - Blade: Ei
Sword - Red Lotus Blade, Seraph blade
Club - Seraph strike
GS - Freezebite
Scythe - Shadow of Death
Polearm - Raiden Thrust
Staff - Sunburst, Earth Crusher

The pattern we're seeing is basically "every other magic WS" or "the highest level magic WS of a given line" or "Ex magic WSs." My guess would be that Moonlight (club WS) can trigger it, but Moonlight is weird because I'm not even sure it claims the mob.

Don't take your inability to trigger things on Ironclad as proof that it doesn't work though. It seems anything with a long attacking animation (Gigas stone throwing, Ironclad's swings, Ovni's tentacle raep, etc) cannot be triggered during the animation. It could be that things cannot be triggered during any attacking animations and they're normally so short that server lag makes it hard for us to identify that. The fact that red is Terror should make it easy to tell. Has anyone seen a monster freeze half way through a swing? When I remember the ones I've terrored, they were all standing kind of in an idle position.