Magic Hammer was reported too, I believe. Worth noting that there are a few repeated reports of some of the spells, but not a single one of a different spell of the same element giving a !!, so it's looking quite possible it's one per element (leaving Mind Blast, Blitzstrahl or possibly Temporal Shift for thunder).
Got 2 triggers tonight on same NM.
1st most probably Grellow from a Freeze, during late Windday (when we claimed it).
2nd most probably Red from Seraph Blade, during early Iceday.
I took screenshots this time (but had filters):
1st trigger
2nd trigger
Dropped Atma Vicissitude (woot), Rokugo hachimaki, Scatchacha, clot plasma and 2 Fistule mats. (maybe the dex head tied to Blue trigger ?)
Screenshots with THAT many filters on are kinda useless...
Blue !! - Spiral Hell - Manannanananananan - Lightsday - No belt QQ
Eccentric Eve Red !! - Earth Crusher. Popped on Earth's Day. No Atma. BITTER!
Trigger character had atma already, but stayed in party the whole time. ~_~
I'd like to petition a new abyssea weakness thread, its been settled for a while that grellow!! is determined on pop, or changed when it goes passive, on spells whos element match the day before/of/after of certain types
works: single target tier3/4/5, aga3, AM, various debuffs, any offensive song, ninjutsu:Ni, blu spells (working list pending)
-I've deduced it to be the top tier spell available to any given job. I dont think most people have tried, but drk's top fire/thunder/blizzard are tier 2.
doesnt: single target tier 1/2, aga tier 1/2, I've yet to see anything concrete towards meritable spells as anything posted seems sketch ("I had to cast Slow 2 4x before it procced" yeeah..no)
Blu spell list is in progress to determine if it can be anything available, or is picked from a pre-determined list, which seems likely because it is not physically possible to equip every offensive magic spell.
Red!! is still in progress, but some people have stated having better luck narrowing them down to WS's whos element match the grellow pattern, but its pretty irrelevant because theres 13 WS's to pick from, of which a WAR and NIN can tag them all.
Blue!! is a huge mystery still...
HOPEFULLY from here on out, we can avoid all "GRELLOW!!" posts, unless they're something new (confirmation of merit spell, or blu spell), and any red/blue!! can contain the following information:
Mob (though kinda irrelevant), WS used, Day of the week and if known: day spawned if free spawn mob
The last is very important since weakness is determined on pop, if Heqet spawns on Firesday, but sits idle till thunders day, its weakness will be dark/fire/earth, not ice/thunder/light.
Blue !! - Ground Strike - Mananananan - Windsday - Belt drop ^^
I would add factors such as season and moonphase. If there is a pattern, it seems unlikely to rest with days. Red patterns are not irrelevant since they would allow you to waste less time trying to trigger the !!. Furthermore, red is arguably the most important !! of the three considering the drop rate is abysmal without it.
Ok that's why i posted this testimonial on my previous post.
Actually, even if i had a lot of filters on, it was easy to guess 1st trigger on windday was NM Silenced, ie Grellow one. Then from all the answers other members gave, only one is a spell: Freeze.
Same for the 2nd trigger's message indicates a Red "!!" (NM Terrorized), then from other answers, only one is a EleWS : Seraph Blade.
What i mainly don't understand is the 2nd trigger. The current day changed during fight to Iceday which is when the 2nd trigger occured. What i don't understand is the relation between Seraph Blade properties (Light element, Scission) and Iceday...
Unless the weakness theory isnot related to the current day, but the day when claimed (Windday), and even then only the SC property fits (Scission earth vs. Windday).
2nd thing i'm confused about is exactly what you pointed in the quote above: is Weakness related to the day element NM was CLAIMED (and stays the same throughout the fight), or is it determined ON POP ?
In my testimonial, Fistule can't really be called an "overcamped" NM, and so could have been roaming since Earthday or Lightday who knows ?
If that question is relevant, then any testimonial in that thread related to free popped NMs are unexploitable in figuring a pattern ? (only forced spawn NMs are relvant?)
Last night we proc'd red !! on Durinn. The person who proc'd it then dropped from alliance to get someone else in since he already had atma. We killed Durinn and no atma dropped. Was this because the person who proc !! has to be in the alliance at kill or did we just get unlucky with the actual atma drop?
On monday I tested the atma obtain range ; I had an alt at conflux 1 while we were at Khalamari. They got the atma from that distance.
Weakness is determined every time it goes passive: when it spawns, and then changes when it goes passive. This is why there were anomalies to my original model, but they were all from freespawn mobs.
There is no correlation between iceday and seraph blade, but its irrelevant, because Fistule could have been sitting unclaimed for god knows how long.
this just in from the JPbutton.
Spoiler: show
Well, this changes everything doesnt it?
Time is time of claim, pop, or current game time? By the way, I'd like to hit whoever designed this system twice with a rake for their impudence. Also, for making GA never trigger. Christ. I'm going to be using 200-skill weapons forever.
I think its current game time, nobody from my ls is on atm, so i cant/wont test until i finish these last 2 hotpots....