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  1. #501
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    Hi all,
    Just after some thf advice on builds. think my TP build is spot on but would welcome advice on both it and ws build.

    TP

    Daka+1 / Rapdius sax / Raid.Boom
    Raid.+2 / Love(Agasaya maybe?) / Supp. / Brutal
    Rapp. / Homam / Rajas / Toreador
    Belenos' / Bullwhip / Raid.+2 / Raid.+2

    WS

    Daka+1 / Rapidus sax / Raid.Boom.
    Aias Bonnet / Gorget / Delta / Brutal
    Loki's / Ample / Rajas / Spiral
    Nifty / Anguinus / Tumbler / Heca

    I dont do kings so Pixie and heca.sub are beyond my reach for the moment.
    Lost alot str losin heca body hence spiral(strigoi eventually, need for mnk smite mainly) and im usless @ the math to work out str needed to cap daka+1(45Dmg). Not keen on heca feet 2bh as dont like the slow after ws(nitpicking w/ 4% but even so). was wondering about Matre but i like the atk.from tumblers (and like when does thf have capped atk qq).
    Anyway thx in advance for any advice

    Edit: will prob get around to gettin aug jupiters when i get a chance if i dont need teh extra str to cap daka+1 interested in the str value for this both inside and outside abyssea

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    Rapidus sax
    Why?

    .5% haste doesn't make up for the shitty stats.

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    mainly as use meat evrywhere and like the acc for NMs. have an eva kila also, was considering dex 1 when i can face the grind.
    Just bought cuc.mantle no belt in ah

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    @Byrth: Pretty copy/paste, but that's not to say it's bad. A lot of nice gear in there, I'd recommend aiming for HQ tiara, bullwhip belt, and STP/DW(or acc/DW, att/DW, whatever depends what you do/etc) mirke to keep haste cap while adding more useful stats. If mirke is a dealbreaker, Goading Belt+Ocelot Gloves is also a decent bonus without dropping below cap. Hoard Ring is a much better option than Heed IMO, but again, your mileage may vary if it takes you below fSTR cap. I'd consider Belenos' over Forager's as well, provided fSTR remains capped. Enkidu's Cap and the dagger hachimaki both seem like decent halfway options for WS headpiece, though you could still outdo your Etoile with second augment of MKD. Obviously, this means foregoing the minor CHR, but DEX+4 crit damage+2% or AGI+4 WS damage+2% are still pretty nice options for WS gear.

  5. #505
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clannagh View Post
    1) TP setup. Need AF3+1 Feet, maybe Blitz? Ambiguous gear: VBelt, Ravager's Orb, Iota Ring, Rose Strap.
    2) King's Justice. NHead doesn't exist on Fafnir when I've been in Aery, also need STR+2-3 Earring. War Stone and Strigoi Ring.
    3) Raging Rush. See above concerning Fafnir, Perle/AF3+1 head better? Warwolf Belt.
    4) Steel Cyclone. Obvious gear is obvious.
    5) Fell Cleave.
    6) PDT. Need Colossus Earring/Augmented Darkness and some good Dark Rings.

    Believe I'm in the lotting pool for next EBody from Odin. Open to all comments/criticisms.
    War AF3+2 head is close enough to nhead that if you don't have nhead yet, just use AF3+2 for anything you wouldn't use viking with.

    Hell, it's hard to argue for nhead over AF3+2 actually, now that I see the stats again.

    Str +8 Vit +8 Acc/Att+14 Crit +3% DA +4%? Vs Str +11 Dex +5?
    3 Str for roughly 10 Acc/Att, even if 5 Dex capped your dDex for crit boosts, all that and DA on top?

    Shhhhheeeeeeeeiiiiiittttt son.

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    Acc is useless, and so is atk quite often (stalwarts, etc).

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    True enough Rog il take what u said in2 consideration. back to point however, any advice on ws build? just bought a cuch.mantle so can switch that out w/ niftys, any obvious improvements u can see?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorny View Post
    @Byrth: Pretty copy/paste, but that's not to say it's bad. A lot of nice gear in there, I'd recommend aiming for HQ tiara, bullwhip belt, and STP/DW(or acc/DW, att/DW, whatever depends what you do/etc) mirke to keep haste cap while adding more useful stats. If mirke is a dealbreaker, Goading Belt+Ocelot Gloves is also a decent bonus without dropping below cap. Hoard Ring is a much better option than Heed IMO, but again, your mileage may vary if it takes you below fSTR cap. I'd consider Belenos' over Forager's as well, provided fSTR remains capped. Enkidu's Cap and the dagger hachimaki both seem like decent halfway options for WS headpiece, though you could still outdo your Etoile with second augment of MKD. Obviously, this means foregoing the minor CHR, but DEX+4 crit damage+2% or AGI+4 WS damage+2% are still pretty nice options for WS gear.
    Okay, got a Hoard Ring. HQ Tiara will happen pretty soon (likely in a week?). The group I go with is hitting Attohwa starting tonight, and I'll probably be the only one on Cards (already have a Lusca pop, and we'll farm the shit out of the Wamoura). We'll be killing Yaanei whenever we see it up for our RDM(s?), so perhaps I'll hold out hope for a Bonnet. The other options you named I am actually less likely to get than a Bonnet these days. Because Acc is pretty much not a consideration for my DNC, Enkidu's Cap is just a glorified Empress Hairpin for me. I could go with that, but it's 7 Attack vs. 3 DEX. Dunno!

    Belenos is a priority for multiple reasons between WAR and DNC, and this coming weekend the group seems likely to do a Konschtat chest/random NM session. Maybe I'll get lucky.

    I do need to re-augment my Mirke into a TP body for when I get the +2 Tiara (which will doubtlessly be before I manage to re-augment my Mirke). I was thinking DW/DA, DW/Crit, or DW/Atk. I don't need Acc on it (there's no Acc on Rap Harness), but I'd like to know how DA plays with Saber Dance before I really decide. STP+SB would be nice DNC AF2 body would become my WS gear (DEX-1, Atk-1, everything else relevant the same). Knowing how easy it has been to get people to repeat MKE fights for me, I feel fairly confident that I'll be stuck with a Mirkegon for a while.

    Building a PDT set for DNC, but it's not worth posting yet. Basically just rings and DS Harness+1. Beginning to wonder how I'll fit all this gear in my inventory.

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    http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/8892/war1010.jpg

    TP: Working on Ravager's Orb and Askar Body, LS sold last Mar's Ring before I had a chance to make an offer. Slowly grinding through +2 upgrade drops. We no longer do Ein, so E.Body is out for now. Ambiguous - Belanos Mantle, Vulcan's Ring
    RR: Looking to buy Heca Cap on Asura, pm me. Ambiguous - Cavaros Mantle
    KJ: Swaps hands for Heca when Agressor is down, almost never use this set anymore.
    SC: Ambiguous - Fortis Mantle, Clout Boots.
    MDT/PDT: Both are just holdovers from Rdm gear, need a lot of work.

    Looking for ideas for specific upgrades, preferably nothing from salvage/kings. I have WoE gaxe in progress, so mainly hoping for gear advice.

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    You posted your set for SC, but not FC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rog View Post
    You posted your set for SC, but not FC?
    Same set, no clue why I blanked on it making the image.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byrthnoth View Post
    Building a PDT set for DNC, but it's not worth posting yet. Basically just rings and DS Harness+1. Beginning to wonder how I'll fit all this gear in my inventory.
    Is there something I'm not thinking of where an evasion build would be less valuable than PDT? I have a couple of basic pieces from other PDT sets that could be worn by DNC (sounds like I'm in the same boat as you), but I figured an evasion build was more viable and practical, especially on top of Fan Dance. My evasion build definitely needs a ton of work right now, I may post in a second here so I can get some feedback.

    I currently also only have 1 merit in Fan Dance, and I've been doing a lot of soloing/tanking on my DNC recently, so I'm seriously considering reworking them so I can get a faster cooldown on a fresh Fan Dance for the particularly rough mobs.

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    Evasion builds require that your evasion is high. I know how dumb that sounds, but if you're comparing 30% PDT to an evasion build for instance,

    Assuming mob is 95% accurate to begin with, you would need to reduce their accuracy to x% in order for the % reduction in attacks equal the reduction through PDT.

    x/95 = 0.7, so x = 66.5%~ to compare with a 30% PDT build. However, in reality evasion is reducing damage more than this as the enemy is not gaining TP from hitting you, but this would require a more complex (and situational) calculation.

    tl;dr: Evasion is better if it is actually reducing the enemy hitrate significantly. If the enemy has a ridiculous amount of accuracy and your evasion set is only just making it drop below 95%, PDT will be much better. Evasion -is- strong if it works though.

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    I guess I've been riding the defeatist attitude of "If Evasion tanking doesn't work as a viable strategy, I need to get a different tank/job to solo on" instead of "What if PDT will work?"

    EDIT: Laziness and inventory economy probably played a factor too.

  15. #515
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    Quote Originally Posted by rog View Post
    Acc is useless, and so is atk quite often (stalwarts, etc).
    Well, to be fair, been out of the game for a while, but Str +3 Dex +5 vs Crit +3% DA+4% +not having to get an Nhead if you don't have one... that's not a bad deal. If the piece existed when I lacked Nhead, I woulda gone for Rav Mask+2 in a heartbeat fo sho.

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    Yes, I know lolTHF.

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...g?t=1288744046

    I know that Ulthalam's Ring isn't ideal. Strigoi or maybe the STP ring? Just using THF in Abyssea.
    Ranged and belt are the dual wield items. Will replace belt if I ever get Bullwhip. Was told DW+5 still beats Swift.

    I'm just bored and recently got Love Torque and Raider's Boomerang. So yeah, any suggestions?

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    THF isn't lol anymore, you can feel free to add that before drk, sam, etc though.

    Ballerines are cool. Hmm it also appears you are missing a relic or three.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincento View Post
    THF isn't lol anymore, you can feel free to add that before drk, sam, etc though.

    Ballerines are cool. Hmm it also appears you are missing a relic or three.
    Lold.

    But srsly, Ballerines are a good, high drop rate item and you're going to want to get a better acc ring than uthalams. If you still have acc issues (on xp mobs that you can chain stalwarts on it shouldn't be a problem but NMs or maybe even chigoes in attowha you might have peoblems) you can switch your back to sharpeye mantle for 12acc for 10k. Idk about the belt being better than swift, too lazy to maffimatize atm, but I would assume the haste belt would be better unless you have absolutely no haste buffs. I have no idea about weapon choice though.

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    Yea Rog did the math for it. It's situational. Probably better to use Swift if I don't use Aurics. I like to switch daggers around a lot depending on what I need. I switch in my relic when it's needed ;( Don't have placebo effect+5 yet.

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    Ukko's
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    (earring is bushi)

    I'm still working on some key items for 5hit, so for now this is my 6-hit WS set.
    99.9% of the time i would only use war inside of abyssea, so assume RR+VV fulltime for this.

    I'm fairly new to war so a few things i wasn't sure about.

    1, Noct or Zahak's. Leaning twords noct... but only for the epeen WS shots. Not sure what would be better overall.
    2. Heafoc or Heca. Going with Heafoc for now since it's safe to assume str is ukko mod.
    3. Ares's or Hachiryu legs. Ares's seems really nice with str/dex and DA. Would 4 str beat the DA?
    4. Ravager's or Heca feet. After seeing how high ukko's can go; i think it's safe to say the crit bonus will help more than the str/dex.

    Upgrade wise i plan to get +2 head and Ravager's orb.

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