"God did not create Universe!", says Hawking.

[Salodin]

If God helped my son to be born without physical or mental defect, and God helped my wife get her new job, and God helped me get my FFXIV beta code on the first try, then that isn't faith, it's bad science.

I'd blame that on religion's god. But we all know religions wrong, even if we still believe there is a god.

But I'm saving these links and reading them later. Time for work, because god hates me.



=D did you chuckle?

[Maxwell]

Ever seen the movie "Contact" ?

I have, and read the book too.

You're debate is still fundamentally flawed. As is the movie (and the book), which is out of character for Carl Sagan who was pretty vehement in his anti-theist philosophies. In the book he attempted to show theists that there would be a fundamental principle that could prove the existence of a higher being, by hiding proof in deep mathematics. However he made the mistake of "pulling out patterns in infinite series" which is horrifically silly. It's silly because an infinite random series will be capable of pulling out -any- combination you wish if you searched long enough. The movie however tried to assert that science itself took faith, which was again -horrifically- incorrect, as there is no single scientific concept that requires a leap of faith. And before you dare go down this path of "yes science does require faith", I'll stop you there and just let you know that it is just your ignorance of science and scientific concepts, not the scientific method that requires faith. Don't waste our time going down that path.

[Mizango]

Your Schrödinger avatar is fantastic haha.

[Acturus]

They wrote a book based on the movie Contact?

I'll have to check that out.

*cough*

[zoobernut]

The existence or non-existence of god doesn't matter.

What really matters is the existence of organized religion. We should eradicate organized religion and all the worlds problems will be solved.

[Maxwell]

They wrote a book based on the movie Contact?

I'll have to check that out.

*cough*

You're wooshing me right..?

If you're not wooshing me, Carl Sagan is a fantastic author and everyone here should read his works. Big loss when humanity let him go =/.

[Mizango]

Big business*

[Knightmare]

The existence or non-existence of god doesn't matter.

What really matters is the existence of organized religion. We should eradicate organized religion and all the worlds problems will be solved.

You have too much faith in humanity.

[Mizango]

You're wooshing me right..?

If you're not wooshing me, Carl Sagan is a fantastic author and everyone here should read his works. Big loss when humanity let him go =/.

Goddamn right. Carl Sagan is a genius and was the driving force behind who I am today, that dude single handily instilled a love for science in me and made me go for it all. I still get goosebumps when I see Cosmos and hear him speak in his distinct tone.

[Knightmare]

I have, and read the book too.

You're debate is still fundamentally flawed. As is the movie (and the book), which is out of character for Carl Sagan who was pretty vehement in his anti-theist philosophies. In the book he attempted to show theists that there would be a fundamental principle that could prove the existence of a higher being, by hiding proof in deep mathematics. However he made the mistake of "pulling out patterns in infinite series" which is horrifically silly. It's silly because an infinite random series will be capable of pulling out -any- combination you wish if you searched long enough. The movie however tried to assert that science itself took faith, which was again -horrifically- incorrect, as there is no single scientific concept that requires a leap of faith. And before you dare go down this path of "yes science does require faith", I'll stop you there and just let you know that it is just your ignorance of science and scientific concepts, not the scientific method that requires faith. Don't waste our time going down that path.

What is quantum physics for 2000 Alex.

[Effluo]

Physics may have created the universe, but God created physics

[Maxwell]

Goddamn right. Carl Sagan is a genius and was the driving force behind who I am today, that dude single handily instilled a love for science in me and made me go for it all. I still get goosebumps when I see Cosmos and hear him speak in his distinct tone.

My favorite quote/opening to his literature:

"We are standing on a rock that is spinning at 1,000 mph, that is orbiting a star at 62,000 mph, that is circling the galaxy at 200,000 mph, while that galaxy moves at over a million miles per hour, we have always been space travelers".

edit: Effluo - A swing and a miss, but nice try.

[BerenTebogo]

And math created god. Bam! Argument over, nothing to see here folks.

[Ashmada]

That guy trolling or just failing hard at reading?

[zoobernut]

You have too much faith in humanity.

I have faith in nothing.

Lol Sath that is perfect. We should all worship math maybe?

[Max™]

God may not have created the universe but I still believe he killed off the dinosaurs because of rampant tyrannosaurus homosexuality

Fact.



The reason it is hard to understand concepts like these is pretty obvious: our awareness is a process which limits the manner in which we are able to gather information about space and time to a level which was useful according to the timescales at which biochemistry functions.

The difficulty arises because we aren't good at distinguishing changes in the speed at which we're updating our "sense of self", that constant evolution of thoughts which you identify with being you.


To get a better impression of how limited our view of time really is, try a little thought experiment.

You're outside of a door, it's completely dark on your side, except for the light coming through a keyhole.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_TKuAuSlLaE...eyhole-big.jpg

If I asked you to tell me what exists on the other side of the door, judging from that image right there, you'd be able to describe things within your narrow field of view, but to see anything else you would have to kinda move side to side to see from a different angle.


Now, with that in your head, try to imagine taking a 3D snapshot of what you can see around you, all the way to the edge of the visible universe.

That volume of space is what you can see through the keyhole.


Does the obscured portion of the world in the picture above go away because you can't see it?

Does the world on the other side of the keyhole change just because you moved side to side to make new regions visible?

Why would the temporally obscured portions of the Universe disappear just because you have a narrow field of view through time?



If that didn't lose you, this might: imagine the door is panning from the left to the right as you peer through it, constantly updating the visible portion from your perspective, ok?

Now, if we're assuming something like time had to begin or end, then that is like saying that the direction "left-right" has a beginning to your "left", and "becomes" the direction "right" as it moves towards the end of the "left-right" axis.


You probably recognize that the Universe doesn't transform at a set rate from the left to the right, and think this is a silly metaphorical.
That would be like saying "left" has a speed, huh?

Well, the view of the Universe you have right now is all you can see through the keyhole of your awareness, and your awareness is panning from the upstream (towards the past in time) direction to the downstream (towards the future) direction, constantly updating your field of view.

Are we so egotistical that we have to assume that just because we can't see the "upstream-downstream" axis as readily as we observe the "left-right" axis, then the portions of time outside of our view don't exist?

http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/...imeline300.jpg
http://www.johnagowan.org/spacemap.gif
http://www.johnagowan.org/greene.html#map
http://www.johnagowan.org/spacetxt.html


http://www.adamtoons.de/physics/relativity.swf
http://www.adamtoons.de/physics/gravitation.swf

[Effluo]

And math created god. Bam! Argument over, nothing to see here folks.

But.But.But... damn

[Knightmare]

That guy trolling or just failing hard at reading?

Simple question are you male or female?

[Knightmare]

And math created god. Bam! Argument over, nothing to see here folks.

How the hell did math create God?

[Atreides]

that keyhole pic is from university of virginia

Ok so random question, do scientists have any idea what was going on in the universe before the big bang happened? I'm pretty curious. Is our universe just the result of some sort of natural process from an older/larger universe/dimension?