Crafting specific question thread. Moar undyed canvas.

[Kirbyprime]

I would say try using your offhand... but at 25k a synth yeah... it's a pain to test out.

[Ksandra]

exactly, I want to see if anyone else was brave enough and did it first before I risk more money XD

[Gulkeeva]

Man just looking at the crafts/skill level required to make mats for the saw look brutal... 18+ miner for ore (or go buy it 4K each), 21BS for the smelting of ore, 21 armor for rivets.. and high level carpenter for the saw.

Looks like I'm going to be working for a bit on all my crafts ;/ hope AH comes out some point to make things cheaper (and to be able to find anything useful)

[Katlan]

If menu lag didn't suck so bad and there was an AH, I'd be in total love with the gathering and crafting system. But I despise the market ward system and I'm not a fan of running around yelling for the mats I need.

this 100x over. I like crafting, but taking 10+ minutes to do 4 synth's because of the 10-15+ sec menu lag for every action kills 65% of that enjoyment.

[qpoiuwer]

ya, as I said I had the guild support, but the item doesn't even require it or any type of training on it. see here: http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...sId=A&rankId=2 (ash saw grip)

I have plenty of ash logs though from botany so that's not what makes it expensive. People are gouging the prices on the iron nails (lvl 21 blacksmith synth), and the brass plate I need a friend can make but it costs him 12k in the mats alone, so I pay for that.


I really want to say it's a lvl 16-18 synth, but it'd be nice to hear from someone who's made it.

The items are listed in order of their levels (first couple are lv11, last few are lv20). So yes, it should be around lv16.

[Vuitton]

Be sure to check YG against the Lodestone, as YG isn't accurate on many crafting synths. I've failed many synths because of this. YG reports all sorts of alchemy and goldsmith synths at rank 1 but they're really ranks 11, 15, and 20. Even though the Lodestone has pages for 1-10, 11-20, 21-30, those three pages still list items according to their difficulty. The deeper down the list the closer it is to the 10, 20, and 30 ranks. This has been my experience so far leveling alchemy to 20.

Ash Saw Grip on the Lodestone is halfway down the page, but YG says its rank 11. I am thinking its more like rank 15, and all of the rank 15 synths are especially difficult to synth until you get an upgraded tool. Which I know sounds ass backwards because you can't get your tool until you make this synth.

Unfortunately it looks like you might have to blow up a bunch until you get lucky or find another carpenter who has already done this and can make the item with better success rates.

Edit:

A similar thing is going on with Alchemy.

YG states that the Crystal->Shard synth is rank 11. No way no how. It is a particularly difficult synth that I was still able to screw up at rank 18 with the first upgrade Alembic (Copper). The Lodestone has it mid-way down the page, and so I believe it is really rank 15. I wasn't able to get decent success rates on it until rank 16 and after I upgraded my alembic.

I can always "feel" when an item is out of my league when I am chain blowing up pure white orbs on standard. The alchemist rank 10 ability "Preserve" gives me 3 pure white orbs (and will change a red/yellow/blinking orb to white before doing so) and I know if I am blowing up all 3 with standard synths I am boned from either my tool being outdated or it being out of my skill range. I'll have to switch to chaining rapid and praying to the gods for success.

[Ksandra]

hmmm kk I'll try to power skill to 16 then and try again. Hopefully by then people will have lowered the prices on the nails at least. XD

[synistar]

With all the crafting in this game, is this game really just training us for sweatshop work? Like at all the camps you have people furiously (spamming rapid synth at that) making a whole lot of crap for leves.

That said, I'm in this eternal grind to get better tools. I'm trying to blast through carpentry but I know I'm gonna hit a brick wall. Even with friends getting other skills up, we're all gonna hit the point where our tools suck. So I guess it is a sweat shop simulator.

[Vuitton]

With all the crafting in this game, is this game really just training us for sweatshop work? Like at all the camps you have people furiously (spamming rapid synth at that) making a whole lot of crap for leves.

That said, I'm in this eternal grind to get better tools. I'm trying to blast through carpentry but I know I'm gonna hit a brick wall. Even with friends getting other skills up, we're all gonna hit the point where our tools suck. So I guess it is a sweat shop simulator.

It is only a temporary roadblock. Its like a torrent with 500 peers and 1 seed. The swarm can only go inch along together as a group. As people slowly rank up their crafts, more and more things will be available to everyone else. Right now there are very few rank 20+ crafters, but as more and more get there, there will be more and more low level goods for everyone else.

Eventually the economy is going to be flooded with low level gear, weapons and tools.

Edit:

Some crafts depend on players selling craft goods from the mobs that drop them, btw. Zinc Ore is used by Goldsmiths to synth Brass Nuggets, which are used for Brass Rivets and Brass Ingots. The ingots are used for Brass Plates. The rivets are used for all sorts of things.

The problem is that the only source is from mobs/mining and it is an uncommon/rare drop. Not many people realize this and are vendoring everything they get from grinding mobs. The Zinc Ore sells from a vendor for 7K. A payer can sell it for 1-3K in their bazaar and help get Goldsmiths moving along as well as other crafts that rely on those Brass synths.

You want Fish Glue? (Its used in everything it seems.) Fishers need to provide the mats for that. It requires specific fish and clams/sea slugs/sea cucumbers/other weird sea creatures. Then the Alchemists can churn out Fish Glue to get the other crafters crafting.

Its all horribly interconnected.

[Lucavi]

With all the crafting in this game, is this game really just training us for sweatshop work? Like at all the camps you have people furiously (spamming rapid synth at that) making a whole lot of crap for leves.

That said, I'm in this eternal grind to get better tools. I'm trying to blast through carpentry but I know I'm gonna hit a brick wall. Even with friends getting other skills up, we're all gonna hit the point where our tools suck. So I guess it is a sweat shop simulator.

Hey, the JPs think the game was made for the Chinese, so maybe you're onto something.

[Ksandra]

Eventually the economy is going to be flooded with low level gear, weapons and tools.

this is what I'm afraid of, and why I'm trying hard to stay ahead of the curve before everything stops selling or no longer sells for a profit. Thankfully when the standard edition comes out that's gonna give us a whole new market. XD

[synistar]

^this

I'm also trying to do that, but best I can do is make gear that everyone will be lazy to make for the first month. As is, I'm making a 100% profit margin (including that stupid 10% bazaar tax, screw that thing)

Oh well. I'll stick to the leves for relatively safe and profitable skill ups.

[Lucavi]

Stock your critical items - shields, vambraces, hats, but also remember that the new crowd is going to want to skill up, and that means boku bux for crafting tools, and crafting mats. I am going to make a fortune selling taupe leather straps, and if you were a smart gardener, you'd be stocking up on dyes and flax.

Play the market, people.

[Chastiti]

Does anyone else have trouble completing the rank 10 leves at say, rank 12?

It's infuriating to me, to sit and bust over and over on these things when I'm two levels above it.

Also in the same boat as far as needing a Brass Head Knife and I can't find one either. I found a Bronze one for 25k. >.>

I think I'm just going to say screw it and level everything to 10 and hopefully some kinks have been worked out by then.

[qpoiuwer]

Does anyone else have trouble completing the rank 10 leves at say, rank 12?

It's infuriating to me, to sit and bust over and over on these things when I'm two levels above it.

Also in the same boat as far as needing a Brass Head Knife and I can't find one either. I found a Bronze one for 25k. >.>

I think I'm just going to say screw it and level everything to 10 and hopefully some kinks have been worked out by then.

The lack of higher level tools and no access to trainings means many synths you actually need to be 2-3 levels higher to complete. On top of that, a rank 10 leve is just the recommended rank, the actual item may be 12 or 13. Further, very few people have any +crafting gear or bother to create equip switch macros.

[Leelya]

I kept a pretty open mind about this whole system, but after seeing it in action its an utter fail. How things are setup now crafters are hijacking there costs extremely high over synth. Jobs such as gld aren't effected because all of there gear is cheap. The majority of jobs are paying in excess of 120k for lvl 15 weapons.

This will end up being a very weird economy. As a gatherer why would I sell my items to the "free market" at a fair price when in turn its time for me to upgrade my weapon I get screwed over. So I'm left with two options. Inflate items at the ground level, or refuse to sell outside my ls.

[Shuichi]

Xalien and I have encountered this matter surrounding crafting as well. We've ended up each selecting complimentary crafts. Me: Blacksmith, Goldsmith, Armorer. Him: Carpentry, Leatherworking, Weaving. My only issue is the level of DoH required to make some of these low level tools. Seems a bit far. Also, what about synths that require various "sub-classes" on them. I've noticed several pieces for Armor that require leatherworking AND weaving. Does this reference the sub-classes required to make the components or requirement to actually make the armor in question? Luckily, crafting is fun as hell.

[MitsurugiMyc]

It is not enirely too difficult to level almost all of the crafting classes to be self sufficient. It does take alot of effort to keep you inventory from going into meltdown though. Its funny because I started wanting to concentrate on gladiator but I also wanted to make/repair armor and swords for my glad, I then started down the path and now im here....
lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/rc/character/status?cicuid=1308562
I am having an absolute blast concentrating on gathering and crafting, I use DoW classes to farm shards/etc until I reach ~lvl 15-20 on a few crafing classes. The best thing is that I only baught one thing in all my lvling efforts and it was....!@#$%Taupe Die!!!!!
For some reason I got gey moss, black scale bugs but no taupe......
BTW, any one on besaid that needs lvl 7 and lvl 12 crafting tools or chainmail, look me up because I will be pumping them out until I get rid of all my excess materials ^^

[mrpzak]

My favorite is the Maple Longbow. In OB it was about 14k, now it's almost 30k. I had all the mats to make it EXCEPT for the linen bowstring. As of now, it's not sold by any NPC and there is no recipe on any of the online DBs. The only info I can find out is that it's a lvl 38 weaver item. Lvl 38?! for a lvl 8 bow?!

[Azurewrath]

Brass ore -> Brass Nugget: Lv. 15
Brass Nugget -> Brass ingot: Lv. 5

Square what the hell is in your head

Also, anyone know where to get Hempen Tabards? or does anyone know if weavers actually make them?

Kind of a piss off. I saw a guy in a Grey bronze chainmail yesterday, asked him how many days of begging people to synth little things for him and farming it took to make it (cause it takes 44 synths to create)

He said he got it in a guildleve.

Kinda upsetting, an item that takes days to make people can just go get it in a guildleve. Made me sit there and think..~ So what's the point of crafting?