Victory March now caps~ (Sad Face Here)

[Obsidian]

It is, why would they create trials for the other weapons to get 85 and leave two? They most likely haven't thought of the trials or buffs they will give to it yet.

Unless I'm missing something instruments and shields aren't weapons.

[Yugl]

So we're capped with Victory + Champion + Haste spell now?

[Hitoru]

So we're capped with Victory + Champion + Haste spell now?

Oh, you.

[Salodin]

lol.

[Scrooge]

SV'd Victory + Advancing is exactly 43.75%, the Magic Haste Cap. (No need for Haste Spell.)

Haste is still a nice safety net against Dispel

It also has 20MAcc! Which would be relevant, if there wasn't an Elegy +3 instrument now.

Unless something's radically changed that I don't know about or I'm missing something big, an elegy +3 instrument isn't particularly special. Last time I tested it, found that Carnage Elegy is capped at 50% regardless of the instrument you're using.

And I've never seen any testing that proves song + stats actually increases magic accuracy in any form. Even if it did, I wouldn't imagine Elegy +3 would beat Song +2 and 20 skill.

Of course, none of that changes the fact that Gjallarhorn has gotten shafted in a major way.

[Yugl]

Haste is still a nice safety net against Dispel

But you see, that's why BRDs save champion march for midfight.

[Viq]

If your melee are capping haste by wearing full perle, then you don't even need marches.

[Draylo]

Unless I'm missing something instruments and shields aren't weapons.

Neither is the armor you can upgrade through magians? Also tell me when you see instruments under the AH.

[Obsidian]

Neither is the armor you can upgrade through magians? Also tell me when you see instruments under the AH.

They're either armor or weapons, pick an argument and stick to it. If you aren't going to flip flop, I look forward to being able to augment my Lu Shang's and my pet foods. If you are a flake, they explicitly said you'd be able to improve these sets of armor through trials. I haven't seen anything concerning Aegis or Ghorn.

What would those trials even be?

[rog]

They're either armor or weapons

They're really not

[Yugl]

What would those trials even be?

Finish 2000 Soulflayers with Shield Bash.

Finish 2000 Wivre with Requiem DoT.

[Zirk]

I could see shield block so many times on X type of mob.

For horn though, would be more far out, like land a certain debuff against X type of mob so many times, or have so many mobs be defeated by a party member under the effect of one of your songs (basically forces help from other people though, but that's sorta how bard was designed to work).

[Isiolia]

I could see shield block so many times on X type of mob.

For horn though, would be more far out, like land a certain debuff against X type of mob so many times, or have so many mobs be defeated by a party member under the effect of one of your songs (basically forces help from other people though, but that's sorta how bard was designed to work).

Eh, horn could also be offensive - some of the staff trials have you kill the mob when under x element enfeebling magic, so they could just do kill x number of mobs when under Elegy, Threnody, or Requiem too. Or have it be a requirement for the BRD to have songs on. Granted, all pretty much givens for a BRD...

[Yugl]

Or have it be a requirement for the BRD to have songs on. Granted, all pretty much givens for a BRD...

i.e. too easy. Hence, why it's going to be death by requiem.

[FailureMidgard]

i.e. too easy. Hence, why it's going to be death by requiem.

'cause other trials are known for their difficulty, not for the massive # to be killed.

[Yugl]

'cause other trials are known for their difficulty, not for the massive # to be killed.

And because the number of times you do something doesn't affect the difficulty of the task.

[Draylo]

Could be similiar to the armor trials and you will need to procure a certain # of items from x mob in x area. Maybe from the Heros of Abyssea expansion or something. Although compared to the current relic trials, that wouldn't necessarily be equal amount of work/grinding. I wouldn't say killing something with shield bash or requiem x amount of times isn't something they would consider lol.

However, I really doubt SE would leave these two ITEMS (there I didn't say weapons) in the dust while the rest of the relics are all increased to 85+. They are most likely just thinking of how they will deal with the trials and how they will upgrade the weapons. It wouldn't make sense to make relic horn inferior to some random +3 horn you can buy off AH/get from easy NM.

[Byrthnoth]

Could be similiar to the armor trials and you will need to procure a certain # of items from x mob in x area. Maybe from the Heros of Abyssea expansion or something. Although compared to the current relic trials, that wouldn't necessarily be equal amount of work/grinding. I wouldn't say killing something with shield bash or requiem x amount of times isn't something they would consider lol.

However, I really doubt SE would leave these two ITEMS (there I didn't say weapons) in the dust while the rest of the relics are all increased to 85+. They are most likely just thinking of how they will deal with the trials and how they will upgrade the weapons. It wouldn't make sense to make relic horn inferior to some random +3 horn you can buy off AH/get from easy NM.

SE outdated a lot of items this update, including several relics (at least temporarily). I don't know that they're necessarily going to save G-horn.

[rog]

And because the number of times you do something doesn't affect the difficulty of the task.

No? It just makes it take longer, which has nothing to do with difficulty.

[Yugl]

No? It just makes it take longer, which has nothing to do with difficulty.

So you're of the opinion that pumping 100lbs one time is equally as difficult as pumping 100lbs 1000x?