SE's policy on killing charmed players.

[Coldone]

My LS and I were out killing lolXolotl last night, everything fine, however whenever a member would get charmed there was a blm there that kept -againg the charmed players and killing them. Killed 2 of us 2 times each. Not like he could have killed it, he didn't have anyone there to help with kill.

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When asking a GM about it, their policy is that charmed players are considered NPCs. There are severe holes in this.

1. NPCs do not suffer XP loss when killed.
2. When casting a -aga spell on a NPC, if there are other unclaimed NPCs in the area it will hit them as well, this is not true when casting a -aga on a charmed player
3. A NPC can be claimed so that outside people cannot act on the claimed NPC, this is not true of a charmed player.

SE fails again, they either need to change their policy or change in game mechanics.

Side note. Hat dorp onri, orz.

[Kris]

Something Interesting I found out during my LS's last Jailer of Love fight that outside people can
be charmed by Love and will proceed to attack your tank...people could easily camp in the center
of love and wait for charm and then end up mpking the whole alliance fighting JoL.

[Senoska]

Edit: edited post to be a little bit nicer.

The game is how it is, if your charmed you have the option to be killed, thats how it works. You shouldn't have called a GM for something that as far as I can tell is completly legal. Think if of it like an optional Mass aoe death. Insted of a TP move that kills you right away it gives the player the option to kill you or not D:

[Lordender]

lolXolotl

[Ayn]

The game is how it is, if your charmed you have the option to be killed, thats how it works. You shouldn't have called a GM for something that as far as I can tell is completly legal. Think if of it like an optional Mass aoe death. Insted of a TP move that kills you right away it gives the player the option to kill you or not D:

Think of it as harassment and your point becomes moot.

[Senoska]

The game is how it is, if your charmed you have the option to be killed, thats how it works. You shouldn't have called a GM for something that as far as I can tell is completly legal. Think if of it like an optional Mass aoe death. Insted of a TP move that kills you right away it gives the player the option to kill you or not D:

Think of it as harassment and your point becomes moot.

You're a moot point, it's part of the game harassment or not. Its quiet obvouis its how they intended the game to be, but in the extreamly off chance they didnt, then meh w/e.

[Coldone]

Whether its allowed in the game or not, doesn't make it right. If Se's policy is that charmed players are NPCs,thats fine, but then the game mechanics should make them act just like NPCs and allow them to be claimed, no xp loss and aga effects be accurate.

[Delekii]

The game allows people to drag xolotl onto an alliance fighting tiamat and then mjin gakure, leaving xolotl on the tiamat alliance. That said, if you do it, expect to end up in GM jail.

Just because the game physics allow you to do something does not mean you are allowed to do it within the rules. PKing charmed players is funny if you know the person, and know they will react accordingly. Killing a total stranger because they are charmed by an NM is fucked up, and should be disallowed.

[superfob]

Game mechanics aside, it is obviously PKing. SE is just slow on fixing their broken game mechanics (hi2u zone trains).

Personally I think you just got a stupid GM.

[Coldone]

I did request to speak to a senior GM, but blah blah blah, may take 48 hrs for them to contact you.

[Darunia]

If you aren't prepared for morons who do this kind of thing then don't fight the mob. There will always be people like this who find it fun to go out of their way to be a pain in the ass for others.
A good trick to get rid of turds like this is to run one of Xolotl's pets past him, CFH and let his own -aga be the death of him.

[Kuya]

These are the kinds of threads that ruin the fun parts of the game.

goodbye my lovely mpk and crawler's nest trains ; ;

Edit: Just bitch about charmed players loosing exp, obviusly they cant make it so you can't attack charmed players.

[miokomioko]

It's a TP move that specifically turns your well being over to the mercy of all the jealous assholes waiting nearby. Get over it. I would imagine people would be used to this by now.

[Judai]

The problem here is that the Charmed players may and can attack the person/people watching you fight Xol. Therefore they are only using self-defence in killing you. If your entire group was charmed and Xol agg'd the outside people, they would be forced to do something to stop you from killing them.

Also, if they made it illegal to kill charmed players, people would be able to Charm MPK more. Instead, if some random asshat tries to use something like the JoL charm to MPK you, you can simply aga his stupid ass to death.

It's a double-edged sword. It sucks when people abuse policies but that doesn't mean it's a bad policy. If GMs were able to use common judgemnet, it would be eaiser to implement other rules. Then people would bitch that the GM used the wrong judgement tho.

[Dohorehn]

LOL ok WOW. Same thing happened to my linkshell on Hades... except we got Astral Flowed, lol. GM basically said the same thing. That whole policy is full of shit. He basically gave us the 'ok' to f--- with anybody else in the same manner, however we have a little bit more taste than that.

All I can say is just watch your back while camping stuff that charms, and call a GM in advance.

[miokomioko]

Are you guys new to Xolotl? (or Vrtra for that matter, or Enkelados, or Jailer of Justice, or Pallas, or Jailer of Love, et cetera)

I vote to move this to the newbie section, there is no "GM policy" even stated here. The statement "charmed players are considered NPCs" isn't a policy, it's how the game mechanics work. This has been happening for a long time now... welcome to 'endgame...' I guess? Start bringing a White Mage to Xolotl.

[Izzy]

i'd like to say, this is complete bullshit. Two of my friends were jailed and suspended for 3 days for killing charmed people by a corse at tiamat...seems like GM's are just inconsistent

[Silmarwen]

Funny thing is, a friend of mine was jailed and received a warning for "MPK'g an NPC". Namely, the CN's escort NPC. So, I don't understand how even if a charmed player is then considered an NPC, but killing an NPC is not ok...meh you get the jist. ...but it is SE, so the normal rules of right and wrong do not apply...

[Jeryhn]

A better question would be:

Why are you fighting Xolotl in a manner that would get you charmed in the first place?

[Vic]

You bastard Coldone! I was waiting for Xolotl to pop for 2 hours until i decided that someone killed him already >.> And for everyone who doesn't know, Minniedomz is an RMT acomplice whose used RMT gil to buy a dalm -1.