Overwriting BRD songs

[Sarial]

So, I was messing around on BRD and I cast songs in this order

Minuet
Madrigal
Pianissimo > Ballad
Pianissimo > Ballad II

For some reason, I end up with Madrigal and Ballad II at the end. Why is this? (I end up with Ballad I if I swap the order, too)

Sorry, probably a total noob question, but in my defense, it's my friend's BRD.

[Pikarya]

Should be because of the strength of instrument+ duration. Someone can probably correct me on that but I'm pretty sure that is it.

[Shinryuu]

The song you cast will replace the song with the least lasting duration. If you cast Ballad (which obviously has no instrument for it) right after Madrigal (w/ instrument) you're going to end up with a Madrigal that has more duration left than Ballad, despite being cast sooner. The new song (in your case, Ballad again) will replace the other Ballad.

[miokomioko]

Shortest song (duration left) always loses and gets overwritten. That's about it.

[TheMysteriousX]

As others have said, it's to do with having instruments extending duration. Either give yourself a 10 second break between the offending spells, or reverse the order you cast them in.

[Silpha]

^ what he said.
gotta wait those 20ish seconds bonus from instruments have passed for ballad to overwrite, so just take some times to elegy/finale/stoneskin after your melees buffs, then proceed to ballad~

[Gergall]

^ what he said.
gotta wait those 20ish seconds bonus from instruments have passed for ballad to overwrite, so just take some times to elegy/finale/stoneskin after your melees buffs, then proceed to ballad~

Just wanted to say that you don't have to wait the full 20 seconds to start casting ballad. It takes 8 seconds to cast ballad, so you should only need to wait approximately 12 seconds.

[Silpha]

very true~
Was just saying it in a way that ballad need to finish after the added duration of instruments. i usually like the elegy/finale combo, or stoneskin single, as it's just what you need to pass time, run to mages, and start to cast a ballad that you'll benefit yourself too ^^

[Sarial]

Another noob question--what's the duration of Minuet and Madrigal with a Cornette +1 and Traversire +1 (sp?)

[miokomioko]

I believe any basic enhancing song lasts 120 seconds.
"Song" +1 is an additional 12 seconds.
"Song" +2 is an additional 24 seconds.

So, 120, 132, and 144 second durations respectively, disregarding any Troubador/Nightingale.

edit: fixed!

[Princess]

I just did this 5 times in a row to be sure about timing, But Minuet/Madrigal songs are:
120 seconds, or 2:00. 50 game minutes. No Instrument.
130 seconds, or 2:10. 55 game minutes +1 Instrument.
145 seconds, or 2:25. 60 game minutes +2 Instrument.

Ballad, Even with Sha'ir or Yigit is still 8 seconds to cast So casting after waiting ~20 seconds is best.

[Valyana]

+1 instrument is +10% duration. So +1 gives 132 seconds, +2 gives 144 seconds.

[Conrad]

Yeah it's 10% not 10 seconds for each additional +1 on an instrument. Nearly all buffs have a 2 minute duration, so a +2 Song would last for 2 minutes and 24 seconds.