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    Rampart and Stoneskin

    While fighting Fafnir today I noticed that my Stoneskin was going away constantly despite Faf not using wing. It turned out that Rampart was overwriting my SS. Was this something new from the update today, or have I just been paying so little attention that I didn't notice before?

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    its been this way since they changed Sentinel / Rampart

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    It's really bloody annoying too... especially if you end up in the tank PT on RDM in dynamis. Happily sleeping mobs secure in your nice stoneskin and some muppet PLD wipes it off.

    GRRR fix it SE.

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    you can just click it off

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    I read a test with the results were if a person who cast stoneskin on themselves had over 90 MND, Rampart wouldn't overwrite. If they had less, obviously Rampart took priority.

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    lol "muppet PLD"

    On topic: Was this designed by S-E to work like that? Seems kind of weird...

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    So this is what my PLD was talking to me about lol. I was getting spammed by a stalker >.<; so I didn't notice wtf he was asking me. Gonna have him try it again when I'm paying attention, but I didn't notice his rampart overwriting my stoneskin. Not certain of my exact MND numbers, but I think my stoneskin macro puts me at 64+50ish as rdm/blm (taru ; ; ). I will double check those numbers and post results of his rampart on my stoneskin when I can retry it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackice
    I read a test with the results were if a person who cast stoneskin on themselves had over 90 MND, Rampart wouldn't overwrite. If they had less, obviously Rampart took priority.
    That's why I hadn't noticed it before. I got my Dalmatica recently and this was the first time being in tank pt with instead of Osode. Losing the MND from Osode made my SS too weak to withstand Rampart hostile takeover of my buff bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viq
    Quote Originally Posted by Blackice
    I read a test with the results were if a person who cast stoneskin on themselves had over 90 MND, Rampart wouldn't overwrite. If they had less, obviously Rampart took priority.
    That's why I hadn't noticed it before. I got my Dalmatica recently and this was the first time being in tank pt with instead of Osode. Losing the MND from Osode made my SS too weak to withstand Rampart hostile takeover of my buff bar.
    So if I, as a SMN, get 90 MND before I Earthen Ward, the PLD's Rampart won't hit anyone? Nice... if this works for SMNs and not just the regular spell Stoneskin.

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    It's probably based on the actual strength of your stoneskin, not your mnd.

    And the person with 114 mnd for a RDM stoneskin, you are macroing way too much mnd there. Only need like 95 to cap on rdm with 256 enhancing, which is 64 + Errant Body (10) + Mythic Wand (8) + Tamas (5) + Errant Slops (7). Some really basic alternate mnd gear (like a second ring, a cape, a belt) will allow you to skip Errant Body for AF2 body's fastcast, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viq
    Quote Originally Posted by Blackice
    I read a test with the results were if a person who cast stoneskin on themselves had over 90 MND, Rampart wouldn't overwrite. If they had less, obviously Rampart took priority.
    That's why I hadn't noticed it before. I got my Dalmatica recently and this was the first time being in tank pt with instead of Osode. Losing the MND from Osode made my SS too weak to withstand Rampart hostile takeover of my buff bar.
    uhhh, pick up an errant body or if u still got the osode stoneskin macro gear ftw.

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    So has anyone figured out what the exact numbers are for rampart's magic shield?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khamsin
    Quote Originally Posted by Viq
    Quote Originally Posted by Blackice
    I read a test with the results were if a person who cast stoneskin on themselves had over 90 MND, Rampart wouldn't overwrite. If they had less, obviously Rampart took priority.
    That's why I hadn't noticed it before. I got my Dalmatica recently and this was the first time being in tank pt with instead of Osode. Losing the MND from Osode made my SS too weak to withstand Rampart hostile takeover of my buff bar.
    So if I, as a SMN, get 90 MND before I Earthen Ward, the PLD's Rampart won't hit anyone? Nice... if this works for SMNs and not just the regular spell Stoneskin.
    MND doesn't have any effects on Blood pact, I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aurik
    It's probably based on the actual strength of your stoneskin, not your mnd.

    And the person with 114 mnd for a RDM stoneskin, you are macroing way too much mnd there. Only need like 95 to cap on rdm with 256 enhancing, which is 64 + Errant Body (10) + Mythic Wand (8) + Tamas (5) + Errant Slops (7). Some really basic alternate mnd gear (like a second ring, a cape, a belt) will allow you to skip Errant Body for AF2 body's fastcast, etc.
    I was incorrect with my numbers, but I still have over 95 MND on for stoneskin...in any case...Rampart still overwrote my stoneskin when I tested it with my PLD before Dynamis today...so the 90 MND thing doesn't work.

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    Is your enhancing capped and were you on BLM or RDM? 95 MND won't cap RDM stoneskin if your enhancing magic happened to be 200 or so......
    BLM @ 200 enh. magic is about 114 MND to cap, RDM is less because of higher enh. skill.

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    It was overwriting my RDM stoneskin with capped enhancing.

    I changed my tactic to just swearing at the offending PLD and threatening to make him sleep on the couch (was my other half) - which worked

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seditedi
    Is your enhancing capped and were you on BLM or RDM? 95 MND won't cap RDM stoneskin if your enhancing magic happened to be 200 or so......
    BLM @ 200 enh. magic is about 114 MND to cap, RDM is less because of higher enh. skill.
    I was RDM/BLM. Enhancing is capped. MND was 64 + 45 = 109.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isildur
    its been this way since they changed Sentinel / Rampart
    Hey remember when I told you this the day of the update and you laughed at me?

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    Well then it looks like it overwrites regardless... so yea. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seditedi
    Well then it looks like it overwrites regardless... so yea. lol
    yea ; ; I guess I'm not sure what their intention is with this...doesn't make any sense. Unless we're getting Stoneskin 2!!!11! jk >.>;

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