Annihilator (Gun Control Thread- NOT SHOOTINGS)

[Sho]

Obama delivers speech on gun control:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/05/politi...rol/index.html

[Fiye]

"And the constant excuses for inaction no longer do. No longer suffice. That's why we're here today. Not to debate the last mass shooting, but to do something prevent the next one"

Thank fucking god someone finally did something to make a step.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...e-and-make-our

[Vaspinne]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/pro-gun...ment-1.3390529

Entertaining, if not sad, interview

[FNH]

"And the constant excuses for inaction no longer do. No longer suffice. That's why we're here today. Not to debate the last mass shooting, but to do something prevent the next one"

Thank fucking god someone finally did something to make a step.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...e-and-make-our

What about it makes you feel like they are doing anything? To me it just seems like the "political" thing to do. A lot of smoke and mirrors. In my experience NICS was never "out-of-service", especially when they switched from the phone system to the internet based platform. And they didn't shutdown the gun show loop hole they just gave a stern warning about making a business out of it. It's still perfectly legal (in my state) to go on facebook groups or armslist and post up what I have for sale and not have to perform a background check. It's always been the law that I couldn't make enough money to be seen as a business, so I'm not really sure what all the build up was about. It really sounded like the same things he put up after Sandy Hook.

I wonder if it was all out of necessity to just say something about gun control to appease the anti's and stir up the pro's. The joke had always been that he was the truest friend to the gun industry. I'm sure there will be folks out there buying like crazy right now thinking it's worse than it is.

[Ksandra]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/pro-gun...ment-1.3390529

Entertaining, if not sad, interview

This guy just equated the mentally ill to criminals.

[archibaldcrane]

What about it makes you feel like they are doing anything? To me it just seems like the "political" thing to do. A lot of smoke and mirrors. In my experience NICS was never "out-of-service", especially when they switched from the phone system to the internet based platform. And they didn't shutdown the gun show loop hole they just gave a stern warning about making a business out of it. It's still perfectly legal (in my state) to go on facebook groups or armslist and post up what I have for sale and not have to perform a background check. It's always been the law that I couldn't make enough money to be seen as a business, so I'm not really sure what all the build up was about.

I'm sure there are people posing as "hobbyists" that should be required to get an FFL, this is basically a warning shot at them. But yeah, probably insignificant.

Didn't Dylan Roof "legally" buy guns because the 72 hours passed without his BG check clearing when it should have been denied? I'm assuming the added manpower for BG checks is to help people like that from slipping through the cracks.

[thetruepandagod]

What about it makes you feel like they are doing anything? To me it just seems like the "political" thing to do. A lot of smoke and mirrors. In my experience NICS was never "out-of-service", especially when they switched from the phone system to the internet based platform. And they didn't shutdown the gun show loop hole they just gave a stern warning about making a business out of it. It's still perfectly legal (in my state) to go on facebook groups or armslist and post up what I have for sale and not have to perform a background check. It's always been the law that I couldn't make enough money to be seen as a business, so I'm not really sure what all the build up was about. It really sounded like the same things he put up after Sandy Hook.

I wonder if it was all out of necessity to just say something about gun control to appease the anti's and stir up the pro's. The joke had always been that he was the truest friend to the gun industry. I'm sure there will be folks out there buying like crazy right now thinking it's worse than it is.

seriously this, wondering how many of you took advantage of the obvious jump in gun stocks as a result of this speech.

[Melena]

seriously this, wondering how many of you took advantage of the obvious jump in gun stocks as a result of this speech.

I wish I did. I know when Sandy Hook happened, AR-15's sold out immediately in california. The best thing to happen to the gun industry is to have another mass shooting.

[FNH]

Didn't Dylan Roof "legally" buy guns because the 72 hours passed without his BG check clearing when it should have been denied? I'm assuming the added manpower for BG checks is to help people like that from slipping through the cracks.

Not completely sure about that particular instance, but technically if you receive a "delay" response from NICS then the seller can transfer after 72 hours, as NICS is supposed to call back with a definitive response of Proceed/Deny. A bigger step would be to remove the delay transfer process, imo.

Anecdotes:
Personally I've never done this despite running into that on many occasions(more on that to follow) because we didn't want to have to go through the rigmarole of getting it solved. Personally, I was pretty hard on folks trying to buy from me, if you said something stupid you weren't buying from me. Hell, I'd even step in on sales that didn't have my name attached. I had probably 9 people perma-banned from buying (mostly straw sales, but I had one guy that told me he was going to kill his son so I had him fill out the form so I had all his info to report) and sent many home for all sorts of errors on the form or ID. Delays got sympathy but no slack. I had one guy that was a "Perma-delay" in which NICS would never call back, ever. So I gave him information that I would normally give someone who felt they were denied erroneously, so he could get a PIN through NICS to which he could receive a proceed. That's a huge ordeal when he could go to any other shop and get it transferred after 72 hours.

[FNH]

I wish I did. I know when Sandy Hook happened, AR-15's sold out immediately in california. The best thing to happen to the gun industry is to have another mass shooting.

No thanks. It can survive just fine without that.

[Melena]

No thanks. It can survive just fine without that.

Might have been taken out of context, but every time there is a shooting, the NRA goes all "They guna take er guns" and sales go through the roof. It's like fucking black friday every time we have a shooting. And as someone who enjoys guns, enjoys shooting them, etc, it actually makes me a little ill how people go straight to tin foil hatting and buy out every "assault rifle" they can.

[dasva]

Might have been taken out of context, but every time there is a shooting, the NRA goes all "They guna take er guns" and sales go through the roof. It's like fucking black friday every time we have a shooting. And as someone who enjoys guns, enjoys shooting them, etc, it actually makes me a little ill how people go straight to tin foil hatting and buy out every "assault rifle" they can.

Well it doesn't help that the other side every time goes we gotta do something rawr. Almost makes it sound like they are working together and the whole public fights between the big antis and procs are just a façade

[Byrthnoth]

The NRA and other gun lobbying groups have spent the last decade convincing the public that guns correlate with personal safety. They eliminated the possibility of compelling contrary information by getting congress to forbid government organizations from funding or conducting the research necessary to validate or disprove their claims.

Now every time there's a shooting, people go buy more guns because they are in an arms race with some mentally ill member of their community who may or may not exist.

Now every time the government makes some weak attempt at reforming gun laws, they're threatening everyone's personal safety.


Checkmate, logic!

[Quicklet]

They eliminated the possibility of compelling contrary information by getting congress to forbid government organizations from funding or conducting the research necessary to validate or disprove their claims.

This ties in with the distancing of the Republican party from intellectualism and science that started somewhere around the Reagan era and culminated after Obama came into office, pervading most of the major policy issues including things like health care and climate change which were originally supported by many prominent, mainstream Republicans.

It's much easier to convince someone that your argument is correct when you know he won't be troubled by pesky things like facts and evidence.

[Fiye]

Well when you have an association that lobbies for this kind of stuff. And looking at the republican party they've gotten pretty good at it considering every candidate has an A rating with the NRA.

[Darus Grey]

I think it's just a general disdain of science as liberally biased or something, because if they did all the due diligence the evidence would probably come back neutral. Because when you look at other modern countries with high gun ownership (switzerland, norway, sweden, etc), there is no meaningful correlations between gun ownership and violence.

It really is just something to get people riled up over, and a convenient scapegoat to avoid having real national conversations about the disparity and mental health issues that are likely the real root of these issues.

[Ragnus]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/pro-gun...ment-1.3390529

Entertaining, if not sad, interview

This interview was deeply disturbing, if anything because they're just the same fucking arguments that have been used for years. I love guns, and want to own some some day, but I hate gun culture.

[Serra]

Might have been taken out of context, but every time there is a shooting, the NRA goes all "They guna take er guns" and sales go through the roof. It's like fucking black friday every time we have a shooting. And as someone who enjoys guns, enjoys shooting them, etc, it actually makes me a little ill how people go straight to tin foil hatting and buy out every "assault rifle" they can.

Shares in Smith & Wesson, the world’s biggest gun company, rose by more than 11 percent on Tuesday to $25.86, their highest level in more than a decade

http://gawker.com/smith-wesson-stock...e-b-1751255742

[archibaldcrane]

It really is just something to get people riled up over, and a convenient scapegoat to avoid having real national conversations about the disparity and mental health issues that are likely the real root of these issues.

If you're talking about mass shootings, maybe? But for overall gun violence, it's clear that Americans are not particularly more violent than people in other countries - it's just that American violence is much more deadly, and that is directly because of easy access to and the sheer number of guns.

[Cantih]

But for overall gun violence, it's clear that Americans are not particularly more violent than people in other countries.

This, generally. I remember with a number of British LS mates, the general reaction of going into London was "OMG, I could get stabbed", much like some people think going into LA or NYC means you're gonna end up shot.
And I seem to remember when I looked into it, when you adjust for population, the rates were close enough. No matter where you go, some people are just willing to fuck other people up, and they will use whatever method is available to them.

Restrict weaponry all you want, but it'll just change how people go about it. If you really want the numbers down, you have to address the reasons people are killing each other.