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  1. #101
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atoreis View Post
    Well If counterstance set base at ~50% Yonin gives 10% Gh gives 10% so thats 70%. I'm also dont want to compete with MNK just throwing it as possible sub maybe.
    Counterstance w/ counter trait base is 50. You have counter before coutnerstance, so testing has never been done w/o. The counterstance rate tested is with counter job trait included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkar View Post
    French notes suggest double attack and it sounds like it's for only 1 attack round. WS Flourish.
    FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF FFFFF

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cream Soda View Post
    Counterstance w/ counter trait base is 50. You have counter before coutnerstance, so testing has never been done w/o. The counterstance rate tested is with counter job trait included.
    NIN/MNK doesn't get Counter from sub?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightfyre View Post
    NIN/MNK doesn't get Counter from sub?
    Cream Soda -> Exactly, NIN/mnk have same trait as MNK main. Difference are merits.

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    I've given up wondering why DRK gets such lol stuff, its finally nothing to do with magic crap and it still has no real use. We're not even needed for zerging stuff anymore (who does not Abyssea stuff still?) so I'm not sure what our use is supposed to be (yea I know not the only DD asking that).

    Give us Absorb-Dorps or something then we'll get a TH bone thrown!!!!

    The THF one is annoying because the main time I could use it is solo/tanking.... but it wont work then.

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    Counterstance is obtained via sub, yet Yonin, Innin are not... how sure of this are we? It just seems like something that will be nerfed, even if slightly.

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    Sorry if this has already been posted before in another thread. Now we've seen these and SE have confirmed the 85-90 (as most of us suspected) here is what each sub will give this update (43-45).

    (A) Job Ability
    (T) Job Trait
    (M) Magic
    (P) Pet

    /WAR
    (A) Aggressor
    (T) Fencer

    /MNK
    (A) Counterstance
    (T) Subtle Blow III

    /WHM
    (M) Barpetra
    (M) Regen II
    (M) Flash

    /BLM
    (T) Clear Mind III
    (T) Magic Burst Bonus
    (M) Poison II
    (M) Waterga II
    (M) Stun

    /RDM
    (T) Magic Defence Bonus II
    (M) Barpetrify
    (M) Aero II

    /THF
    (A) Hide
    (T) Treasure Hunter II

    /PLD


    /DRK
    (T) Occult Acumen
    (M) Absorb-STR
    (M) Absorb-TP

    /BST
    (P) Snarl

    /BRD
    (A) Pianissimo
    (T) Resist Silence III
    (M) Valor Minuet III
    (M) Fire Carol
    (M) Army's Paeon IV

    /RNG


    /SMN
    (T) Clear Mind III
    (P) Ecliptic Growl
    (P) Glittering Ruby

    /SAM
    (T) Resist Blind III

    /NIN
    (T) Dual Wield III
    (T) Subtle Blow III
    (M) Kurayami: Ni

    /DRG
    (T) Conserve TP

    /BLU
    (T) Plantoid Killer
    (M) Blitzstrahl
    (M) Stinking Gas
    (M) Mandibular Bite

    /COR
    (T) Resist Paralyze III
    (A) Rogue's Roll

    /PUP
    (P) Regen II
    (P) Aero II

    /DNC
    (T) Evasion Bonus II
    (T) Skillchain Bonus
    (T) Subtle Blow II
    (A) Violent Flourish
    (A) Haste Samba
    (A) Curing Waltz III

    /SCH
    (M) Rainstorm
    (M) Windstorm
    (M) Aquaveil
    (M) Blink
    (M) Stoneskin
    (M) Blaze Spikes

    These are subject to possible change from:

    "In addition to the above, performance-enhancing tweaks will be introduced for a host of existing job abilities. The exciting details will be announced in the very near future, so stay tuned!"

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    you forgot haste samba for /dnc

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    Was it also too much to expect THF to get a THIII trait for the update people can sub /thf and get the same natural II? Maybe they feel at the moment over TH5 was too much or whatever but still, would have been nice.

    I guess TK is considered our exclusive 'free' (sorta) THIII?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seiji View Post
    you forgot haste samba for /dnc
    I searched so closely as well...or so I thought lol, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pendragoon View Post
    No new BLU JA

    Well... at least I don't have to worry about the main stat of the af3 body being something stupid like "Boosts Arcane Crest" lolol.
    We can't complain after Efflux tbh XD

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    TH shot for rng... What the fucking hell?
    I was happy up until I saw rng getting TH shot. Any job being able to sub thf and only have a 1~2% change in efficiency is BS too and the rng shot reminded me of that after i forgot..

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    Quote Originally Posted by LinkNZ View Post
    Was it also too much to expect THF to get a THIII trait for the update people can sub /thf and get the same natural II? Maybe they feel at the moment over TH5 was too much or whatever but still, would have been nice.

    I guess TK is considered our exclusive 'free' (sorta) THIII?
    They said they are tweaking traits/ja's think we're a bit premature on this qq.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonomaa View Post
    in before "RAISE THE DEAD RANGER SO THEY CAN GET THE KILL"
    Fixed.

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    Can only hope for something in part 2.

    But I guess even AFTER the update is here we can still get random non-announced/wait we did what? surprises (ie: Stout Servant on SMN).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkar View Post
    French notes suggest double attack and it sounds like it's for only 1 attack round. WS Flourish.
    This would be even more worthless than Climactic Flourish. We run a ~27% DA rate anyway.

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    - Pirouette cinglante (Danseur niv. 89, délai de réutilisation : 2 minutes, durée : 1 minute)
    Permet de porter une double attaque. Nécessite deux Mouvements finaux.

    "Allows you to deliver a double attack. Requires two Finishing moves." Assuming the French translation is right not only is the English one vague but also wrong on the FM part.

    Edit: German notes support the French ones as well.

  18. #118
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    You were cold as ice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyramion View Post
    WONT SOMEONE GIVE SOMETHING TO MNK FOR ONCE?!... o wait...
    XD

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    Well, that's thoroughly lame on both counts. For WSs, "Twofold" means ~double damage not double attack.

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    Paladin has been saved.

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