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    Yurin: Ichi and Myoshu: Ichi testing

    I'm not usually one to test things, but it's been bugging me what these things precisely do, and how potent they are. Forgive me if this has been documented, otherwiki is pretty devoid of info on these 2 spells.

    testing was done as nin/bst on seeker bats in Qufim using <pettp> after I landed 10 attacks with dual warp cudgels.

    # my hits -- <pettp> after charmed

    10 hits -- 54 tp neither spell used.

    10 hits -- 49% with yurin:ichi active on target.

    10 hits -- 46tp myoshu: ichi active on me

    10 hits -- 49% with yurin: active on target. I waited 1 minute after landing spell before i began meleeing. This was to test if the spell decreased in potency.


    My knowledge of game mechanics is limited. But it looks as though Yurin is a 10% decrease in mob store tp, yes? With Myoshu being a subtle blow+ 10.

    I don't have the gear to break the 50% subtle blow cap, to see if myoshu breaks cap. Willing to try something else if someone has a suggestion.

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    Do you have Subtle Blow merits on NIN? If so, how many?

    Which pieces of Dual Wield + gear were you using?

    Was your NIN 85?

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    For some reason didn't think that was relevant but:
    subtle blow+5 from merits
    0 from gear
    only dual wield plus i was wearing at the time was suppa.
    85nin/12bst

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    So you get 4.8 TP/hit before Store TP and the monster gets 7.8 TP/hit before Subtle Blow. With 30 Subtle Blow (None from gear, so you weren't wearing Rajas?) you would expect the monster to get 5.4 TP/hit, which was confirmed by your 54 TP after 10 hits.

    Myochin: Ichi seems to have given you approximately Subtle Blow +10. (7.8*.6 = 4.6, so 46 TP after 10 hits like your test).
    It is unlikely that Yurin: Ichi gives Subtle Blow, as it doesn't fit a nice number (comes out to like 6 or 7 or something). It seems much more likely that it gives -10% TP/hit, applied in a separate stage after Subtle Blow. (FLOORS(7.8*.7*.9) = 4.9, so 4.9 TP after 10 hits like your test.)

    If I was a betting man, I'd say Myochin: Ichi will hit the 50-cap while Yurin: Ichi will ignore it. If you're going to repeat the test at some point, it may be worth using a ranged weapon with wooden arrows to try and pump up your delay and get the test more accurate.

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    I took off rajas for the testing. Also, thanks for doing the math on these.

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    Warp Cudgel delay 264

    DW trait: 35
    DW gear: 5
    40 DW @264 = 158

    TP/hit @158 = 4.8

    Default TP gained by mob: 4.8+3 = 7.8

    Subtle Blow trait: 25
    Subtle Blow merits: 5
    30 SB @7.8 = 5.4
    ~~ matches 54 TP after 10 hits


    Myoshu TP results: 4.6 TP/hit
    Total Subtle Blow needed to reach 4.6: between 40 and 41, so +10 or +11

    Myoshu: Ichi -- +10 Subtle Blow


    Yurin: Ichi, Penance-like effect? Description sounds like a straight percent reduction after SB calculations.

    TP/hit with Yurin: 4.9
    Nominal TP/hit: 5.4
    Approximately a 10% reduction.

    If applied after SB, would be:
    7.8 * .7 = 5.46 = 5.4
    5.4 * .9 = 4.86 = 4.8 *not match*

    If applied before SB, would be:
    7.8 * .9 = 7.02 = 7.0
    7.0 * .7 = 4.90 = 4.9 *match*

    Yurin: Ichi -- TP Reduction of 10%, applied *before* Subtle Blow.

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    Wonder if it stacks with Chi-Blast Job trait.

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    Probably does, considering they both inflict separate status effects.

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    About Yurin is the effect taken when mob land hit or when getting hit, or both?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nexxus View Post
    About Yurin is the effect taken when mob land hit or when getting hit, or both?
    Spell states "reduces enemies TP gain" which leads me to believe both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nexxus View Post
    About Yurin is the effect taken when mob land hit or when getting hit, or both?
    That's an interesting question. It's been so long since penance has been released I think most people just took the end function for granted without doing too much testing. Odds are if someone did test how penance worked it'd probably be the same. That said it would also be really nice to know if they both stacked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeryhn View Post
    Probably does, considering they both inflict separate status effects.
    Actually, when a MNK friend of mine used Chi Blast on me when I was charmed in dynamis, I'm pretty damn sure it was called "Inhibit TP" as well. If they're both called "Inhibit TP" it's unlikely that they stack.

    Edit: That said, both NIN spells stack since one is a Subtle Blow effect on the player(a buff) and the other is a status effect on the mob(a debuff). They also are different status effects themselves.

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    Thanks for answering this. I was thinking of testing myself since I was very unsure of exactly what they did.

    ~Erl

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clave View Post
    Actually, when a MNK friend of mine used Chi Blast on me when I was charmed in dynamis, I'm pretty damn sure it was called "Inhibit TP" as well. If they're both called "Inhibit TP" it's unlikely that they stack.
    Actually, I'm fairly sure the debuff inflicts a status effect called "Subtle Blow Minus", not "Inhibit TP".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeryhn View Post
    Actually, I'm fairly sure the debuff inflicts a status effect called "Subtle Blow Minus", not "Inhibit TP".
    Fairly sure, huh? Based on what, exactly? That doesn't even make any sense. Think about it. It's a move that decreases a mob's TP gain, not how much TP a mob gives you when it strikes you.


    Oh, btw:

    Code:
    [01:27:29]Chamuzi casts Yurin: Ichi.
    
    [01:27:29]Eccentric Eve receives the effect of Inhibit TP.
    
    ...
    
    [01:58:09]Chamuzi casts Yurin: Ichi.
    
    [01:58:09]The Hadal Satiator receives the effect of Inhibit TP.
    
    ...
    
    [01:21:38]Ghaleon casts Yurin: Ichi.
    
    [01:21:38]The Warbler receives the effect of Inhibit TP.
    
    ...
    
    [01:42:44]Ghaleon casts Yurin: Ichi.
    
    [01:42:44]The Lacovie receives the effect of Inhibit TP.
    You can think of Inhibit TP as the opposite of Store TP... to make things simpler. It's more complicated than that seeing as TP gained when a mob strikes a player is calculated differently than TP gained by a mob when a player strikes it. In fact, most of the TP gained by mobs is from being struck by players, not by its own strikes. There's also the fact that Store TP is a trait and there's no equivalent status effect that I know of, but yeah.

    Like I mentioned earlier, I really doubt this stacks with Penance. If you have a NIN in abyssea for red !! weaknesses though and lack a monk or Penance is down, it's still great to have.

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    Take a bard out to Colibri (not lessers, need ones that mimic spells)
    Cast the charm song
    Wait for the bird to uncharm and then charm the bard
    Chi blast the bard
    ???
    Profit

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    Can't believe you guys made me dig up my logs from September 2008.

    Code:
    [23:25:45]Lysol uses Chi Blast.
    
    [23:25:45]Clave takes 59 points of damage.
    
    ...
    
    [23:26:15]<Clave> wtf lysol
    
    [23:26:18]<Clave> you fucker
    
    [23:26:25]<Clave> My TP is inhibited
    
    [23:26:27]<Xorn> ?
    
    [23:26:29]<Lysol> hehehe
    
    [23:26:30]<Xorn> loooooool
    
    [23:26:30]<Krista> HAHAHA
    
    [23:26:43]<Krista> I almost got an Acid bolt off at you :/
    
    ...
    
    [23:27:24]Clave's Inhibit TP effect wears off.
    
    [23:27:38]<Clave> thats cool though never seen a TP debuff icon before
    
    [23:27:40](Lysol) Clave's Inhibit TP effect wears off.
    
    [23:27:43]<Clave> it actually has its own unique icon
    Edit: Added sum chat

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    Ah, I could be confusing what I saw with something else. You're right, they probably don't stack.

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