1st December Update : Findings/Changes

[Shadowrunner]

Anyone else notice that "Quick" now has a timer for how long it'll last?, Is this the case for all timed buffs?. I dunno , I find it useful though :D

[Dense]

Just a small finding(question also) with respect to the update. Is anyone taking more damage than before?

It has already been mentioned in one of these threads that it seems the penalty for wearing gear before optimal rank has been changed to be a bit more severe. I think it was noted that the evasion and defence were particularly poor until optimal rank now. Personally, I can not confirm, but it would be lovely if someone could do some rudimentary testing and report back in.

[Angrynixon]

Thank you Dense. That's an interesting thought. I'm above optimal by a bit now for my gear but I hadn't considered that particular possibility.

[YukonWildAss]

Anyone else notice that "Quick" now has a timer for how long it'll last?, Is this the case for all timed buffs?. I dunno , I find it useful though :D

Yeah, all buffs that wear over time have a timer now. Does anyone know if debuffs have a timer?

[The Q]

Yes they do.

[Daiiawn]

Thank you Dense. That's an interesting thought. I'm above optimal by a bit now for my gear but I hadn't considered that particular possibility.

If you are a Firm Conviction user, assuming they have properly fixed it so its only on while casting, that would probably cover it. Havent been ig long enough (or gone long enough w/o r0ing) to try it myself, but if it is fixed then the damage difference would be pretty big

[Angrynixon]

If you are a Firm Conviction user, assuming they have properly fixed it so its only on while casting, that would probably cover it. Havent been ig long enough (or gone long enough w/o r0ing) to try it myself, but if it is fixed then the damage difference would be pretty big

I am a Firm Conviction user and I had my suspicions it had something to do with that as that was the only thing in the patch notes that might have hinted at a difference in damage taken. The difference was/is substantial.

[Null]

Instead of just constantly upping the penalty of wearing higher gear with every update. Why don't they just make it so you can't wear gear higher then you? Seems rather simple to me. Also makes leveling into gear much more satisfying.

[Grey Jorildyn]

Instead of just constantly upping the penalty of wearing higher gear with every update. Why don't they just make it so you can't wear gear higher then you? Seems rather simple to me. Also makes leveling into gear much more satisfying.

LOGIC?
ERROR.
DOES NOT COMPUTE.

[Riposte]

You can just not wear higher rank gear and get the same effect.

[miokomioko]

They are going to make equipment that has more strict rules about equipping. If you speak to the new NPCs inside the market wards, they mention that gear can have the words "Requires:" for rank, and "Fits:" for classes, disallowing equipping by classes/ranks that don't meet them.

[Spider-Dan]

Instead of just constantly upping the penalty of wearing higher gear with every update. Why don't they just make it so you can't wear gear higher then you? Seems rather simple to me.

You mean like FFXI before Level Sync? No thanks.

On my primary job (ARC), my gear is all rank-appropriate. When I switch jobs (for, say, a guild mark leve), I like the fact that I'm not forced to switch out all of my gear or be naked, and I'm willing to eat a penalty for that privilege.

What I don't understand is why someone who is bothered by optimal rank penalty would say, "You know what... I wish that I was unable to equip this gear at all!" Such a system is extremely simple to simulate: simply remove every piece of gear that you are not optimal rank for, and voila! You have created your own reality.

[miokomioko]

Such a system is extremely simple to simulate: simply remove every piece of gear that you are not optimal rank for, and voila! You have created your own reality.

You're really good at missing the point. Some people are intimidated by the freedom of decision making. When there's less freedom in what they can do, the choices are really simple. The way the system is set up now (while I think it's heavily based on class-switching not leaving you naked since you can do it anywhere), it confuses a lot of people as to what they should wear because the stat-comparison numbers do not take into account non-optimal ranks/classes. Pretending they don't have a choice doesn't change anything... and then there's the people who wish the person running by in chain/plate armor, holding a little twig wand, was an impossibility as it takes away from realism, etc. and is visually retarded (it is).

Also, I just mentioned they will be introducing equipment that is not equip-able by lower ranks or other classes.

[goodr]

This all could be helped tremendously by making the results of non-optimal choices more obvious and clearly communicated.

E.g. (made up numbers) they could communicate a flat value decrease for non optimal class (like 40%) and 5% per rank that you're below optimal rank;

They could also display this in the item description windows like optimal value (value if you equip it now) e.g. 100 (60)

[miokomioko]

They could also display this in the item description windows like optimal value (value if you equip it now) e.g. 100 (60)

I wish they would do this. Having to swap gear back and forth just to see if the stats are actually better or not is incredibly dumb... this inconvenience is probably the only reason I have begun ignoring gear that was past my optimal rank. I have just gotten too tired of testing everything to find out it's just 1 point of defense better and just assume it's not.

[Lucavi]

You'll probably see it in a year or so. It seems that the more useful an adjustment or patch is, the latter it arrives. A simple percentage indication of how much of an item's "potential" you'd get when wearing it would do wonders. I guess that's too complicated, though, in a game that didn't even allow for key-binding at launch.

[miokomioko]

I really wish they could have had their shit together enough to have a Halloween event, the snow/music/decorations this month are pretty top-notch. It appears there's some Cherry/Strawberry Confetti items for New Years's...? (edit: nevermind, girls' day)

Also, where are the pudding mobs? Mistbeard Cove? I want to go get killed by one.

[Dakin]

So, are the stones used to turn in for gear rewarded from every 400 faction credit NM leve? Or do you have to have them listed on the leve as a reward to get them?

We just finished the Broken Water/amaal'ja NM, and person who started the leve didn't get a stone.

[ZarakiKujata]

Never do faction leves if the reward isn't listed initially...

[Dakin]

Never do faction leves if the reward isn't listed initially...

Just did another where the member also had only gil listed as reward on the leve. They got a stone from the chest at the end.

Looks like RNG funtimes at the cost of 400 faction credits.