What's Better?

[Khajit]

That was just a bunch of people being pissed off that thier gear got outdated for less than 100k in gil. They also assumed that full aurore= ful perle.

[Koyangi]

I thought so.

[lolwut]

Not really, even then full perle on sam or war was still gimp. All it took to beat full perle on either job with cruor buffs on was Turban, Haidate, Dusk hands and feet nq. There is no reason you couldn't get those items at Visions release, unless you were gimp. All full perle did was set a new bar for the bare minimum acceptable gear for those jobs, without even coming to the standard of gear that would have been considered "casual".

It's a different story with the set bonus for Drks and Drgs of course, but those jobs account for a relative minority of players compared to War and Sam's monolithic bandwagons. Even for those jobs however, people who wore partial sets (excluding the body, as previously stated) were still gimp, since Perle is even worse on a per slot basis. Dusk was cheap, Omega was easy, and +2 haste in a hand/leg/feet slot was below average.

My question is, with these things being fairly obvious and Visions being long since past, why don't you think perle is gimp?

[Khajit]

MAybe it was different for you but i saw people saying/implying full perle was gimp for drk drg etc during visions. Yeah it was weakshit for sam and wars but i also didn't see more than 5ish sams and wars wearing it and the main reasoning I heard people use against full perle was that they should have spent 30 mil on dusk+1 gloves.

[TacoTaru]

That said, it is recognized here that Perle body beats ebody at this point, though neither are ideal.

What would be ideal right now? I assume the answer would be either Ravager's +1/+2, but I'm not quite to that point. I'm still trying to ungimp my WAR after quite a few months off so I'm looking for any upgrade advice I can get since I can't seem to find any, anywhere else. I know TP should be going from this:

Vermeli/Pole/-/Bomlet(Ravager's for Aggressor)
Turban/PCC/Assault/Brutal
Aurum/Dusk/Rajas/Blitz
Cuch/Swift/Byakko/Aurum

to this:

Gaxe(*)/Rose/-/W.Tathlum
Turban/Ravagers(?)/Ravagers(?)/Brutal
Ra+1~2/Timarli/Rajas/Hoard
Tactical/Goading/Rav+1~2/Rav+1~2
(*Using Vermeli right now, but I'm not sure where to go from here. Obviously Ukon would be the top tiered choice, but past that the STR ToM one looks good and so does Widowmaker. Any opinions between these two?)

As for WS:

Vermeli/Pole/ - /Ravagers
Heca/Gorget/Triumph(Vampire)/Brutal
Ebody/Heca/Rajas/Triumph
Foragers/Warwolf(WAR Stone)/Byakko/Heca

As where to go from there, I'm not too sure what to upgrade to and still obtain a 5 hit. Still missing VV/RR for atma, but I'm hoping to pick those up very soon either through my shell or rounding up a shout group (). Any advice or opinions would greatly appreciated.

[Koyangi]

Not really, even then full perle on sam or war was still gimp. All it took to beat full perle on either job with cruor buffs on was Turban, Haidate, Dusk hands and feet nq. There is no reason you couldn't get those items at Visions release, unless you were gimp. All full perle did was set a new bar for the bare minimum acceptable gear for those jobs, without even coming to the standard of gear that would have been considered "casual".

It's a different story with the set bonus for Drks and Drgs of course, but those jobs account for a relative minority of players compared to War and Sam's monolithic bandwagons. Even for those jobs however, people who wore partial sets (excluding the body, as previously stated) were still gimp, since Perle is even worse on a per slot basis. Dusk was cheap, Omega was easy, and +2 haste in a hand/leg/feet slot was below average.

My question is, with these things being fairly obvious and Visions being long since past, why don't you think perle is gimp?

My question pertained to Visions time (80 cap), noone said Omega wasnt easy, but I can remember countless posts in dorp thread where <insert Homam piece here> didnt drop again, or aww crap double head again, etc, and as I stated above, people being in said shells and just having bad luck.

[lolwut]

MAybe it was different for you but i saw people saying/implying full perle was gimp for drk drg etc during visions. Yeah it was weakshit for sam and wars but i also didn't see more than 5ish sams and wars wearing it and the main reasoning I heard people use against full perle was that they should have spent 30 mil on dusk+1 gloves.

Maybe it's just different on Asura. I was in Dynamis-Qufim yesterday helping a pickup group get the win, and there were two wars and 3 sams with full or 3/5 perle in the group. People hating on full perle for drg/drk at Visions release were just plain hating at the time. I had hq dusk back then, but by no means would I have expected the general population to have them.

@ TT

If you're going for a trial weapon anyway, just do Maschu +1/+2. It's not especially difficult with the increased drop rates, and is a world of difference. Short of that I'd say the str magian, not because it's necessarily better, but because it will continue to improve while Widowmaker will eventually go the way of Vermeil.

Any stp body will beat perle for tp, if only by virtue of allowing you do drop rose for a better strap. Zahaks, Grim, Twilight and Perle will all give you better ws results than ebody; Heafoc Mitts, Cavaros mantle, and aqua/breeze belts would all be improvements as well at a glance. Ravager's +2 head/feet will beat the corresponding heca pieces as well.

My question pertained to Visions time (80 cap), noone said Omega wasnt easy, but I can remember countless posts in dorp thread where <insert Homam piece here> didnt drop again, or aww crap double head again, etc, and as I stated above, people being in said shells and just having bad luck.

It was incredibly poorly phrased then. Of course people posted no drop shots, the same way people post Ovni/Turul/Shinryu non drops now. That didn't make any of it particularly rare though, and I doubt anyone would have denied at the time that their Drk was gimp for rocking Exorcist's Hose, or w/e non-Homam Drk wore at the time. I mean, the event was around for 4+ years.

[TheDirtyHobo]

As for WS:

Vermeli/Pole/ - /Ravagers
Heca/Gorget/Triumph(Vampire)/Brutal
Ebody/Heca/Rajas/Triumph
Foragers/Warwolf(WAR Stone)/Byakko/Heca

As where to go from there, I'm not too sure what to upgrade to and still obtain a 5 hit. Still missing VV/RR for atma, but I'm hoping to pick those up very soon either through my shell or rounding up a shout group (). Any advice or opinions would greatly appreciated.

Too lazy to look at the TP build right now, but some tweaks:
Head: Rava+2 > Varangian (if you have no acc issues using it) > hecatomb
Body: Zahak's > Perle > E. Body
Hands: Heafoc > Alky > Hecatomb
Ring: Epona's ring > Vulcan > Triumph
Back: Smilodon +1 is probably better while attack capped, Atheling is probably best when uncapped (and may be better while capped, not sure).
Waist: WS belt > Warwolf
Legs, not too sure on, but with RR, you should be capped on dDEX, so Teutates Subligar are probably better; without RR Haidate probably win

[Maguile]

Vit+5 Dex+5 vs Str+3 Vit+2 for A.Fury?

[Cream Soda]

Str+3 Vit+2

[Rehn]

Full tantra +2 set vs. 4/5 +2 and brisk mask? Speaking of full set, anyone know the % proc with 5/5?

[Crizto]

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[orangefoodie]

Continuing the topic of WAR stuff:

For atma, should I (RR/VV assumed) SQ and use non-stp gear or Apoc and use stp gear? Kinda addicted to that autoreraise

If non-stp gear is assumed, Cavaros or Atheling for TP/WS?

[KSDI]

Why is VV assumed?

[TheDirtyHobo]

Continuing the topic of WAR stuff:

For atma, should I (RR/VV assumed) SQ and use non-stp gear or Apoc and use stp gear? Kinda addicted to that autoreraise

Probably Apoc as long as you can keep your 5-hit build.

Cavaros or Atheling for TP/WS?

Yes.

[Fwahm]

Atma for a scythe or great sword using Dark Knight (so no crit WS)? Been having trouble deciding.

Need to pick three, and the good ones I'm looking at are Voracious Violet, Razed Ruin, Alpha and Omega, Apocalypse, and Griffon's Wing.

Griffon's Wing is +10 to scythe and great sword skill, and +20% to weaponskill damage.

[lolwut]

Too lazy to look at the TP build right now, but some tweaks:
Head: Rava+2 > Varangian (if you have no acc issues using it) > hecatomb
Body: Zahak's > Perle > E. Body
Hands: Heafoc > Alky > Hecatomb
Ring: Epona's ring > Vulcan > Triumph
Back: Smilodon +1 is probably better while attack capped, Atheling is probably best when uncapped (and may be better while capped, not sure).
Waist: WS belt > Warwolf
Legs, not too sure on, but with RR, you should be capped on dDEX, so Teutates Subligar are probably better; without RR Haidate probably win

War can't wear Epona's, and Cavaros' crushes Smilo+1 for crit weaponskills. For legs I'd put Hachiryu and Ares's over Teutates.

[orangefoodie]

Why is VV assumed?

Should I not be? I've only recently dusted off my war so I have close to no idea what I should do.

Cavaros or Atheling for TP/WS?

Yes.

so... cavaros for capped attack and atheling for rest?

[KSDI]

RR/GH are usually on me when I'm war, and then I pick a third depending on the situation. If I'm there just to proc red on something and we're worried about it dieing too fast before proccing red/blue/yellow i like regain atmas. I guess it also depends on how many Furtherance abyssites you have, at this point getting +40 str just from cruor buffs alone makes the +50 str on VV less valuable. So not saying VV is garbage, just saying I definitely wouldn't assume its always the best to have on for WAR.

[Classikmage]

Leveling THF, and I just got over the 75 mark. I have two headpieces at my disposal, but unsure which would be better for WS. I could use Hecatomb Cap +1 (+12 STR, +6 DEX) or I could use Anwig Salade ( +4 STR, +4 AGI, +2% WS Damage, +15 Weapon Skill Acc).

Atm, I'm leaning towards the Heca Cap +1, but not 100% sure on that decision. Anyone longtime THF's know which stat spread would pull ahead for sure?