Comments from the Devs

[Kachiko]

Putting Legacy aside, there should be some ruckus if 1.0 CE purchases don't have early access. Excluding 1.0 CE purchasers is kicking dirt at the people who already gave money to them; doesn't contrast too well with their current trend of rewarding people who gave them money prior, i.e. things like Legacy status.

[Waraji]

I really don't know wtf Early Access can be considered here other than Phase 4 Open Beta... Yall keep sippin that cool-aid. /legacy

[Enygma55]

I assume when phase 4 ends, there will be some time gap between retail release. Data is carried over yes, but Early Access might get to access the full game (all primal fights and such) a week early compared to everyone else.

Worst case scenario, phase 4 data is wiped and early access will be big advantage.

A week to lv up Arcanist might be a big deal too. Can probably unlock summoner before people can even play lol.

Establishing the market first is also a major advantage as we all know, getting in before it floods can make you a very rich bastard. Beta lv + recipes cap at 35 so no making lv 50 gear (base relic weapons) til release.

[Churchill]

There's also other things they can wipe outside of character data, such as the PVP rankings. I would honestly be using it to catch up on missing gear/final testing if I don't get everything done I wanted to figure out. I'd level Arcanist buttttttttt I'd rather wait for someone to figure out how to PL and do that. Leveling is for suckers.

[niwaar]

I'm not saying that the game was worth paying but I thought the idea of a lifetime discount was good enough for what they were asking (30$/30€). Of course if you had no interest it's understandable but why get the CE in that case? 1.0 Beta was pretty bad after all.

I can safely say there were two reasons why people bought the CE after participating in the alpha/beta for 1.0. 1) Blind Fanboyism and 2) We all thought what we were seeing was "only the tip of the iceberg". We naively believed that what we saw was not the amount or type of content we were going to be handed when launch happened. We all thought there would be more mobs in the world and more content to be had. I guess you could say that goes hand in hand with #1, but I myself do not count myself as a blind fanboy. I just had a little too much faith that SE was doing what SE does best and not telling us everything we needed to know. When it was probably the very first time in 20+ years that they were upfront with us and what they had to give us.

Putting Legacy aside, there should be some ruckus if 1.0 CE purchases don't have early access. Excluding 1.0 CE purchasers is kicking dirt at the people who already gave money to them; doesn't contrast too well with their current trend of rewarding people who gave them money prior, i.e. things like Legacy status.

I certainly hope you are correct. I haven't seen any official word on the "Early Access" bit. The translation I read basically said that if you preorder or purchase the new CE you would have instant beta access. There was no word on Early Access or Head Start listed. For a relaunch title it would shoot themselves in the foot if they allowed ANY type of head start or early access program without giving that access to EVERYONE who had purchased a 1.0 account. This is afterall, supposed to be a new version of the same game. To limit early access to those who decided to drop 30$ down during 1.0 as a "bonus" for them after basically receiving a permanent discounted subscription price is fairly ridiculous. Personally I believe that the Legacy price point is ridiculous as well. After all for that 30$ you do get basically what a real CE would have covered if the original CE had been worth its value. A title and a chocobo are pretty much standard now. Considering what did we get for the 1.0 CE? An Onion helm that was so fugly alot of people didnt use them and a "birth certificate"? I still ahve my code cause it was so stupid cheesy.

[Churchill]

Hold up, PS3 limitations already?

Fuck this I'm outta here.

[Lucavi]

There's also other things they can wipe outside of character data, such as the PVP rankings. I would honestly be using it to catch up on missing gear/final testing if I don't get everything done I wanted to figure out. I'd level Arcanist buttttttttt I'd rather wait for someone to figure out how to PL and do that. Leveling is for suckers.

Theres 3 things I want to test/level, essentially, while in P3:

1) Monk. I wanna know how punching the shit out of things feels in this game, because not enough MMOs have h2h classes, and that's a damned shame.

2) PVP. I loved ballista, but that was because I knew of little other PVP in other games. I want more than ballista - much more. Gotta see what they have in store, now that I've played about a dozen other MMO's take on PVP.

3) Crafting (when it matters). I wanna see how easy it becomes to consistently produce a set of HQ gear for my character through the level spread.

[Melena]

Phase 4 is Open Beta so anyone can enter. They're talking about the early access for ARR CE and Legacy for the real launch. Are there really people who bought the CE and aren't Legacy though? If you went out of your way to get a CE I don't see why you wouldn't at least pay for Legacy.

I still have a sealed CE that the wife never opened. I was so disappointed by the launch that I cancelled 3 weeks in and never bothered to turn it back on or re-install after they made the decision to keep it f2p while they decided on what to do. I did get into P2 beta though as well as the wife and we played the last two weeks of it (was on vacation when we got our keys) and enjoyed it so far. So we may give ARR a try. I will be honest, it was tough to give the beta a fair shake with how sour of a taste 14 left in my mouth.

[Gulkeeva]

There's also other things they can wipe outside of character data, such as the PVP rankings. I would honestly be using it to catch up on missing gear/final testing if I don't get everything done I wanted to figure out. I'd level Arcanist buttttttttt I'd rather wait for someone to figure out how to PL and do that. Leveling is for suckers.

But its fun lvling in ffxiv 2.0...!

[Katlan]

random question... the armor/weapons they show at the start w/ the character creator is AF armor/weapons, right? What tier is that in the grand scheme of things?

[Waraji]

random question... the armor/weapons they show at the start w/ the character creator is AF armor/weapons, right? What tier is that in the grand scheme of things?

AF Tier 1, Relic Weapon, I'd say... as of 1.23 would be about... 1, 2, 3, 4(garuda), tier 5? If you were going chronologically.

[solracht]

random question... the armor/weapons they show at the start w/ the character creator is AF armor/weapons, right? What tier is that in the grand scheme of things?

In 1.0, some pieces were useful if you had just dinged 50, and a couple pieces always had uses for some jobs (for example, song+ pieces on BRD and a couple WHM ones) but for the most part, most AF was replaced by melded gear and AV/CC gear.

I'd put them in a starting tier since it's what you'd have for sure after hitting the cap.

EDIT: As for weapons, those were the best weapons in 1.0.

[Churchill]

!Technically the song ones were not useful for Bard unless you were using Soul Voice, at least in terms of the Chest piece (the only one you really worried about).

I used MNK Feet/Body for MP drain/speed, BLM Coat for fire set (I think), DRG Body for pre-invigorate, PLD Body for whatever niche it had, I forget. 1 BRD/no BRD tanking or something.

WHM could use some pieces too, rest were complete trash.

[Hatedregret]

They made it impossible to gear swap in 2.0 though right?

Asked before, but I don't think anyone is going to know for sure.... If you want to start on a fresh server at launch, does that apply to only 1.23 characters or phase 4 too? CE people will get a week or so early so why not go ahead and let phase 4 count for fresh servers too? /pout etc. etc.

[Deadgye]

I bought the CE because I was hoping ffxiv would be a good game. It sucked horribly, so I canceled when they announced it would start charging money. It simply was not worth paying for. Then the legacy and 2.0 reboot came up, and I still saw no reason to pay to become legacy because I had no trust, no expectations. After delivering 1.0, how could I allow myself to assume that 2.0 would be worth paying for without seeing/feeling gameplay first hand.

I'd normally be pretty damn mad that I'm still not in the beta, and all that other jazz. It's a huge slap in the face. How could you not prioritize the players who left because they felt 1.0 wasn't worth playing. Those are the people you should be trying to win over; the people who should know most what needs to be fixed/changed. The only reason I'm not mad and only disappointed is because I've been focusing on my classes and senior design project this semester, and I won't be anywhere near my desktop for all of june.

[Gulkeeva]

I bought the CE because I was hoping ffxiv would be a good game. It sucked horribly, so I canceled when they announced it would start charging money. It simply was not worth paying for. Then the legacy and 2.0 reboot came up, and I still saw no reason to pay to become legacy because I had no trust, no expectations. After delivering 1.0, how could I allow myself to assume that 2.0 would be worth paying for without seeing/feeling gameplay first hand.

I'd normally be pretty damn mad that I'm still not in the beta, and all that other jazz. It's a huge slap in the face. How could you not prioritize the players who left because they felt 1.0 wasn't worth playing. Those are the people you should be trying to win over; the people who should know most what needs to be fixed/changed. The only reason I'm not mad and only disappointed is because I've been focusing on my classes and senior design project this semester, and I won't be anywhere near my desktop for all of june.

But they are letting you in... phase 3, phase 1 and 2 were mostly a small area testing, to make sure stuff is working, phase 3 will have more content to test. I don't think they would try to win over "previous players" with near non existent content beta test area, phase 3 is that test most likely to get people that gave up within 2-3 days/weeks test. Phase 4 will be more or less the "get new people interested" test.

[Hatedregret]

Should they really worry about the people who left minutes/hours/days after launch? They're likely to do the same thing regardless of progress. I'd want to worry more about new customers and existing legacy.

[Takiwaki]

Should they really worry about the people who left minutes/hours/days after launch? They're likely to do the same thing regardless of progress. I'd want to worry more about new customers and existing legacy.

That's just stupid sorry. I am not usually abrasive, but that's just dumb. The people that left are the reason they needed to remake the game in the first place.

1. The people that never played were not the ones that labeled the game as crap at the start.
2. Legacy people were not enough to keep the game up and running.
3. Most people that tried the game and left were because the game launched as crap.

[solracht]

Should they really worry about the people who left minutes/hours/days after launch?

Did you seriously ask this?

About this game, particularly?

Holy fucking shit

[Hatedregret]

No, I understand what you're saying. I just fear that they're focusing far too much on the MMO hoppers. Every new MMO gets them excited and they try it but they're also very finicky and/or ADD and want to try the next thing pretty quickly. I never got into 1.0 beta because I was building my computer so I never tried it beforehand. It was not a good surprise to me, but I stuck with it for quite a while. There are plenty of people in that group. Those aren't the people I was referring to. Quitting within a day though without giving it a shot in the first place? I don't feel concerned with them not playing again. There will still be a ton that do that. Either they want to try something aside from WoW or tired of Aion, they'll try this then go right back. Anyway, this has been far too many words put down to rationalize a blanket statement.


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