Voidwatch Discussion

[Slycer]

Got the crappy temp item set last night with both temp item periapts in the Jugner (S) fight against Kholomodumo, so it's not just Windurst (S) areas. It seems like the game occasionally isn't recognizing the fact that you have two of them and just gives the temp items for one of them, or something.

[Michelob]

How many fights are people doing that are seeing drops? Our group did the whole Bastok path and farmed the T4 four times or something and we saw a grand total of two Celaeno Cloths and like four or so Phineus' Guns (about 56 individual loot pools on the T4). I'm pretty sure we were getting capped Alignment messages and traded the max Red/Blue cells.

[Slycer]

I've done two Hahava fights and four Celaeno fights. Zero good drops from Celaeno, two Ganesha's Mask and one Ganesha's Mala from Hahava. That's out of ~90 individual loot pools. The Celaeno fights were mid-range on lights (not capped since we did SMN-heavy setup and sacrificed a lot of other potential procs). Went in more well-rounded for Hahava and was able to come to cap or near cap on red/blue in both fights, so that definitely seems to make a difference.

Edit: To add T3s to that, done Moira, Belphoebe, Kholomodumo, and Baneberry each once, only drop was one Carabineer Dagger off Belphoebe.

[Arthars]

did 18 x 3 hahava today...all with 500% red and 350-525% blues....

ONE FUCKING HAHAVA MAIL ONRY

[Mahoro]

I really wish SE would add an option to "Add spoils to treasure pool" like they do for Abyssea chests. The odds of getting a good Ra/ex drop are low enough without the extra odds of having that item fall to the person who actually wants it. What were they thinking?

[Odin'sLaw]

I really wish SE would add an option to "Add spoils to treasure pool" like they do for Abyssea chests. The odds of getting a good Ra/ex drop are low enough without the extra odds of having that item fall to the person who actually wants it. What were they thinking?

i agree mostly on job specific items like deluxe animator only a handful of people are going to want it at best

[Arthars]

I really wish SE would add an option to "Add spoils to treasure pool" like they do for Abyssea chests. The odds of getting a good Ra/ex drop are low enough without the extra odds of having that item fall to the person who actually wants it. What were they thinking?

to stop rmt prolly lol if they still exist

[Michelob]

It's only to make this event last. What better way to keep people doing the event than to keep putting out a rare/ex item to mules to tease you and let you know it exists but not drop for you!

[Spira]

i agree with the add spoils to treasure pool thing.. the good thing about own loot pools is that you don't have to compete, but when you have items where theres no competition and it happens to be ra/ex, it becomes a case of bad design especially when you essentially waste drops if you don't need the item but someone in your party does, and vice versa.

if they wanted to make this event last, they'll put voidwatch NM kills/drops on trial weapons. watch it happen

[Michelob]

Don't get me wrong, I'd love for the treasure to be put in pools. That would mean dozens of millions of gil for me and my LS!

[Nightfyre]

How many people are needed to take down the higher-tier NMs? Just killing, not necessarily guaranteeing procs.

[Michelob]

Not many. When we were farming Celaenos last night the bulk of the fight was just spamming for procs while we rotated two Almace/Ochain PLDs on it everytime one of them got encumbered. If you didn't want procs on that mob at all you could do it with 6 or less fairly easily, I'd think. Maybe even 4? Not much point, though, since drops seem to be highly dependent on procs and there is no penalty for bringing more people as each person gets their own loot individually.

[Nightfyre]

We have a decent amount of flexibility in manpower, especially with mules. Just wanted to know what I was looking at for a core setup.

[Michelob]

I have only fought Celaeno yet (doing sandy path tonight) so I can only comment on that one. Two tanks is definitely recommended because it will hit like a truck, especially when you're encumbered. It has some nasty TP moves, some which are AoE and also casts high level magic. We had BLMs and RNGs as a main source of damage, along with a SAM but you could get away with just one DD, I'd think (would recommend RNG for distance obviously).

[Arthars]

all tier 3 and 4 are easy. Only thing making them slightly tight is to proc fully, and have enough time to kill it.

My group is usually 16 to 18 people, ALL OF US DUAL BOX, so its only 8-9 people playing, and dual boxes are always whm or brd or rdm which only use to cure and damage every 50 sec or so(smn)

in the entire group, the only active jobs that are damaging the mob is, PLD PLD BLM BLM SMN SMN and COR

we still able to bring down all T3 and 4 with ease, even we always proc NM for 15-20 mins, leaving us with average 10 mins to kill the NM, usually from 60% onwards after giving up on procs

so if you just wanna kill it, a decent 12 man group like tank PT + a blm x2 smn x3 cor x 1 can tear down everything with ease. some of the dual boxes can go 2x blm or 2x smn if you have them leveled.

this entire voidwatch system isnt about how tough NMs are...its about getting 18 people in pt with as many jobs as possible to proc as loots are individual so theres no conflict of interest. Its direct opposite of abyssea haha. The more people u bring, the better your loots can be.

[Xilk]

all tier 3 and 4 are easy. Only thing making them slightly tight is to proc fully, and have enough time to kill it.

My group is usually 16 to 18 people, ALL OF US DUAL BOX, so its only 8-9 people playing, and dual boxes are always whm or brd or rdm which only use to cure and damage every 50 sec or so(smn)

in the entire group, the only active jobs that are damaging the mob is, PLD PLD BLM BLM SMN SMN and COR

we still able to bring down all T3 and 4 with ease, even we always proc NM for 15-20 mins, leaving us with average 10 mins to kill the NM, usually from 60% onwards after giving up on procs

so if you just wanna kill it, a decent 12 man group like tank PT + a blm x2 smn x3 cor x 1 can tear down everything with ease. some of the dual boxes can go 2x blm or 2x smn if you have them leveled.

this entire voidwatch system isnt about how tough NMs are...its about getting 18 people in pt with as many jobs as possible to proc as loots are individual so theres no conflict of interest. Its direct opposite of abyssea haha. The more people u bring, the better your loots can be.

you are right on. Its the exact opposite of abyssea NM farming, but it is exactly like the abyssea xp alliances. It emphasizes getting as many jobs/players as possible. Its friendlier to Pugs. You don't have to fear anyone stealing your lot, you don't have to negotiate loot beforehand. Only strategy of the fight.

Anyone thought to test if sphere effects from this new voidwatch gear works on NPC fellows or pets? They are often treated as separate party members.

[Malacite]

Did voidwatch for the first time tonight... was pretty fun, and challenging.


We did the Windy path from start to finish, managed to get Periapt on Tier 1 and Atmacites of the Destroyer & ... lol forgot the name, but it dropped off the T4 Iron Giant. Destroyer was decent, but not at all impressed with the other one (HP +1%, MDB +1 and Save TP +4 for 30k cruor at level 2? gtfo...)


Pretty well got shit drops every fight, though a couple of oddities - Not everyone got the title on the Tier 4 (I did, and landed the killshot too :D) but then it wouldn't let me upgrade my Jade Stratum to level 5 - NPC says it's showing no signs of growth.

Well WTF is that about? It upgraded just fine after all the other tiers. Do I have to the T4 multiple times?

[Jem]

I thought there wasn't a T5 or am I being whooshed here?

[Arthars]

Good lord malacite......

[Spira]

lol malacite you live up to your reputation..

..the Voidwatch system is definitely very PUG friendly, but players still do need to sort out effective strategies to cover procs to best enhance their drops.
there are also optimum / easy party setups for various NMs that will influence whether you can/want to bring every single job to proc...
I'd say this is way more JP friendly than it is NA friendly because JP players are more accustomed to doing shout parties on 'bigger' events and this non-rivalry suits them perfectly.

edit: also, i'd say getting red is the most important part of these battles so you'll always want to have blms, blus, nins and brds.. but i have personal proof of 100% (no red boosts at all) dropping their unique equipment.. so its probably just that base drop % is very low, and boosting to 500% will still be a low number.. (like idk 5% -> 25%)

I'm curious to know what the "___ special attacks" is because I've had it come up very often... but its hard to tell since unless its a highly vulnerable proc you're going to see too many nq procs circulating the hints pool...

xilk> kinda hard to do controlled tests but I might be able to do a very simple one using sphere: refresh and automaton to check its mp.

malacite>

1) there is no tier 5 stratum abyssite.

2) you will not get the title if your stratum abyssite for that path cannot pop the T4 NM yet (ie, stratum abyssite is not IV)