Gimp/Confused/WTF Player Thread XXII: someone who doesnt play my MMO as much as me

[Mairja]

I never found out how that Cerb fight ended - did they kill it? Were they forced to give it up? And dear lord, every time I see that picture I go into rage mode over that incredibly stupid GM.

[Byrthnoth]

I'd go into rage mode @PLDs who used Earth Staff after ToAU release, personally.

[Lordender]

Why are you guys being so rude and angry? x_x

Because you're retarded, just because there is fast leveling up doesn't mean shit. People sucked ass at 75, had nothing to do with having to grind up "the old way."

If you need any evidence just look at all the terrible RDM's back in the day, almost none of them played their job right. I remember melee rdm's, not dispelling crabs/crawlers/beetles or refreshing, that shit would drive me fucking crazy.

[blkswrdsmn]

Lolwut -- Whereas it is true that all skills can be learned at cap, grinding through areas and mobs increases your proficiency as player. Recognizing which filters you need for which mobs, what animations to look out for, knowing weaknesses and skillchain combos are the inherent skills that you learn from grinding. And, of course, setting up macros and knowing where they are and how to use and gear for them are important. Not to mention being stealthy and knowing about sight/sound/magic aggro and sneak/invis.

I quit before the 80 cap increase, so I really don't know endgame now. It seems like the level of attention required has dropped off. I remember being in level 60 parties and being so focused and tuned in, and this is not as true of infinite chaining colibri in merit parties (I played mages, tanks, and melee), and that was when I was still playing.

[Julian]

If I remember correctly, the hardest time I ever had on RDM was in Boyoda Tree at the Ancient Goobue camp. Main healing, poison/slow/cocoon from crawlers, poison big aoe dmg from flies, sleeping links, and sleeping other mobs to hold them if there was another party ruining your chain 6!
Plus there was always an idiot who decides to fish when half the party is afk and fishes up a leech.

My favorite part about that camp was the retarded melees asking for poisona for that shitty 1dmc/tic poison. As if I'm going to get up, lose my clear mind bonus, (as well as the additional time needed for first recovery tic), just to remove their fucking 1 damage poison that's going to fucking kill them. Ok.

[Cail]

i miss moon camp;; I felt like a pro cuz i had moongate pass and so many people didnt lol

[Shiyo]

This. His posts are all pretty stupid and annoying.

She, and my posts are perfectly fine considering someone PMed me saying "That was the best post I've read in months, very good post, ignore the trolls and wannabe trolls, they're just being dumb" Guy was 100% serious and not trolling, plus like 2 other people agreed with me and replied to me, and I'm not being incredibly rude, trolling, or assaulting/attacking people for having an opinion or disagreeing with me. I actually respond to them without insulting them every other word, and try to have a discussion and not a flame war. Trolling is annoying and dumb, being civil isn't, sorry.

I also forgot to mention the fact the only people disagreeing with me are people assaulting me, calling me names, flaming me, not having an actual discussion and just being trolls, so I don't care about their opinions at all ^_^

[Lyall]

She, and my posts are perfectly fine considering someone PMed me saying "That was the best post I've read in months, very good post, ignore the trolls and wannabe trolls, they're just being dumb" Guy was 100% serious and not trolling, plus like 2 other people agreed with me and replied to me, and I'm not being incredibly rude, trolling, or assaulting/attacking people for having an opinion or disagreeing with me. I actually respond to them without insulting them every other word, and try to have a discussion and not a flame war.

Not to throw fire on or anything, but I highly doubt that anyone PMed you to tell you it was the best post they've read in months. If they are, well, they probably don't read much here.

The controversial part of the initial post is where you responded to an obviously-sarcastic reply and then

What? It didn't take skill to hit 75 in toau either, but before then it at least took basic knowledge of your class, and you'd get denied from exp parties if you were an idiot and blacklisted by half the server in 2003/2004 cause people only wanted GOOD geared players and actually being good mattered.

talked about a section of time that is long gone. The rest of that post was just repeating what we already know; Game got easier over time, playerbase got worse, Abyssea gave us more level (cap) gimp idiots.

Nothing special here. Also, it helps if you picture BG like a pit at a metal concert. We're all here to enjoy the core reason the pit exists, but if you act dumb you WILL get your shit punched in.

[Mercilessturtle]

Calling you stupid for being stupid isn't trolling. Your posts aren't "perfectly fine" just because there are other people who are as dumb as you. You have to be pretty delusional to seriously believe that all the people who pointed out that you are wrong and that people have always sucked and abyssea changed nothing are "not having an actual discussion and just being trolls".

[thunderlips]

i miss moon camp;; I felt like a pro cuz i had moongate pass and so many people didnt lol

I just used my pass a few weeks ago when Ro'maeve was over camped but i needed to get some arcana kills. I just opened up the gate and had all the mobs I needed with 0 competition.

Though back in the day if you had a pass and put in in a seacom you pretty much had an auto invite.

[Innuendo]

I also forgot to mention the fact the only people disagreeing with me are people assaulting me, calling me names, flaming me, not having an actual discussion and just being trolls, so I don't care about their opinions at all ^_^

I've been disagreeing with you since you posted that rubbish. I just didn't bother saying anything because most of the time someone who thinks stuff like that refuses to listen to reason and will just continue espousing their illogical reasoning until the people who are right get tired and give up. A bit like almost every single shitty player I've tried to help improve, really.

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[Eurell]

She, and my posts are perfectly fine considering someone PMed me saying "That was the best post I've read in months, very good post, ignore the trolls and wannabe trolls, they're just being dumb" Guy was 100% serious and not trolling, plus like 2 other people agreed with me and replied to me, and I'm not being incredibly rude, trolling, or assaulting/attacking people for having an opinion or disagreeing with me. I actually respond to them without insulting them every other word, and try to have a discussion and not a flame war. Trolling is annoying and dumb, being civil isn't, sorry.

I also forgot to mention the fact the only people disagreeing with me are people assaulting me, calling me names, flaming me, not having an actual discussion and just being trolls, so I don't care about their opinions at all ^_^

It only took people so long to hit 75 because we were all retarded about game mechanics in 04. Fighting IT++ mobs has always been dumb, we just didnt realize that. And how much gear swapping did we do back then? Oh, also 2+ hours of LFG and an hour running to camp didnt speed things up either.

Yeah, people suck now. They have always sucked though. Who cares if they are lvl 90? If they suck, kick them from your group. Just like you did at 75.

How was I assaulting you, calling you names, flaming you, or not having an actual discussion and just being a troll?

People are just annoyed because this topic has come up 647423789123689 times since Astral Flow parties started. It wasn't right then, it's not right now. That doesnt mean everyone was a troll though.

[Shiyo]

Nope, not stupid. I said "People have always sucked, it mattered if you sucked back in the day a lot more because it'd effect your char progress leveling up more, but now it doesn't really effect that at all anymore because 17 other people do everything for you". If I'm stupid, why are people who are "disagreeing" with me and calling me names, also saying the same things I said?

People have always sucked and gotten level cap sucking - > Yes I said this, but I stated it would take you much longer to hit level cap back in the day sucking than it does now, 100% true. Cannot argue this and agree with it at the same time, sorry.

People still suck after abyssea - > Yep said this, but I said it doesn't matter now cause the game holds their hand(or the 17 other people leveling their char do) for them. Can't argue this and agree at the same time either

People think I said "leveling the old way made you a better player", which is actually true, you had more time to learn things, you ACTUALLY had to learn things, and your progress slowed if you were bad, badly geared, or a complete moron. Sure, you could still get level 75, but you got it slower(how many times have I said this so far?). There's also exceptions to this, like if someone was a brd or a RDM they'd level extremely fast just because they picked those jobs, even if they were bad, as long as they could press 2-3 buttons np no one cared, invite them anyways. We're all agreeing with things I'm saying, yet I'm being called stupid, insulted, flames. If you are calling me stupid for what I'm saying, which are the same thoughts and ideas you have, then you must be stupid too? Nah, we're both not stupid at all.

Someone said something about "hardest thing is setting up filters to see debuffs blah blah blah". Ok, that's cool, you don't learn that leveling in abyssea, or leveling via GOV. You don't learn how to set up filters, you don't know you have to do that, and no one tells you that you have to.

Like I said, we're all saying the same thing, yet I'm being flamed because people are getting angry at me.

Before you would learn basic things leveling up, you could still suck getting to the level cap, but if you put in extra effort you would level much faster and end up being a better player once you reached the cap. Now you can suck the entire way still, but you don't benefit from being good very much at all, you don't benefit from putting in extra effort very much, you level pretty much(90%+)just as fast as you would doing that as you would being a complete gimp in level1 RSE because there are 17 other people gaining you exp to make up for your suck. 1/6 person sucking slows down exp a lot(especially when monsters were much stronger and we had crap gear, crap food and no new ja's/2h update/updates/etc), 1/18 doesn't really at all, especially with atmas allowing 1 good DD + healer to carry the entire alliance(very common place in abyssea parties). I never said the old way made people amazing players at the cap, I said it had the potential to increase their chances of being a better player at the cap simply from the things they learned and had to deal with leveling up. Are you going to learn more being AFK 99.99% of the time fighting extremely easy monsters that pose no challenge, or learn more when things are actually hard and you have to pay attention? It's obvious which is right, it's also obvious that a bad player will remain bad no matter how much the game forces you not to be bad too.

So what are we arguing, what is "stupid" about my post? The fact I said the exact same things, and think the same things everyone else does? I guess so.

edit: Really I just feel bad for new players, they could be amazing and really good at video games and intelligent, but since they don't get the same learning experience or potential learning experience some other good players got, they end up dinging 90 with very little knowledge of how anything works, no matter how smart or dumb they are : ( Without forums, a helping hand, or some good friends, they'd have a hard time figuring out things on their own.

As much as all the new changes and patches have been aimed for getting new players, it really fails at teaching them the basic fundamentals of the game at all. They're expected to learn all grouping mechanics and how things work at the level cap, oh well, this has been the new MMO design since 2004 when WOW released.

tldr: Bad players will always suck no matter what and good players will always be good no matter what.

[Valisk]

How is the tl;dr longer than the actual post? O.o haha.

Edit: I think people just need to come to grips that sucky people are going to suck rather they astral burned, abyssea burned, or grinded pre-ToAU.

[Byrthnoth]

I think people just need to come to grips that sucky people are going to suck rather they astral burned, abyssea burned, or grinded pre-ToAU.

This is pretty much the rebuttal to Shiyo's entire argument, and it's true.

[Mrbeansman]

ITT Bullshit arguments that belong on the Official Forums.

[shaddix]

You should have to level for like 2 weeks straight getting 5k/hour in onzozo to get a WHM past 70 imo, should be like a maat fight for mages(or whm's) only. Teach those healers how to -na instantly or die/gain 0 exp again.

It's great design for old veterans who were bored of the leveling grind and would like to try out new jobs but didn't want to put the time in, but it had horrible side effects on new/bad players. They don't learn what they're doing until months/weeks after being 90, sometimes never without a real guide or helping hand.

This is what I disagree with, bad players are going to be bad no matter how long it takes them to exp to cap, of course they will be slightly better if they have to level in onzozo, but they'll still suck. Good players will be good no matter how long it takes them to exp to cap, having never leveled in onzozo will not affect them.

[Eurell]

People think I said "leveling the old way made you a better player", which is actually true, you had more time to learn things, you ACTUALLY had to learn things, and your progress slowed if you were bad, badly geared, or a complete moron. Sure, you could still get level 75, but you got it slower(how many times have I said this so far?). There's also exceptions to this, like if someone was a brd or a RDM they'd level extremely fast just because they picked those jobs, even if they were bad, as long as they could press 2-3 buttons np no one cared, invite them anyways. We're all agreeing with things I'm saying, yet I'm being called stupid, insulted, flames. If you are calling me stupid for what I'm saying, which are the same thoughts and ideas you have, then you must be stupid too? Nah, we're both not stupid at all.

Someone said something about "hardest thing is setting up filters to see debuffs blah blah blah". Ok, that's cool, you don't learn that leveling in abyssea, or leveling via GOV. You don't learn how to set up filters, you don't know you have to do that, and no one tells you that you have to.

If only there were forums or something that discussed that kind of stuff.

Seriously, people could even just read alla (nvm any of the better forums) for 10 minutes about the job they plan on leveling, and then do just as good no matter how they level up.

But it seems like you've been ignoring my posts anyway, so w/e lol

[Cleverness]

This is what I disagree with, bad players are going to be bad no matter how long it takes them to exp to cap, of course they will be slightly better if they have to level in onzozo, but they'll still suck. Good players will be good no matter how long it takes them to exp to cap, having never leveled in onzozo will not affect them.

Agreed, bad players will suck no matter what, BECAUSE THEY ARE BAD. Back when we had to run fuck all over the place to level at terrible camps like raptors, etc, people still hit the 75 cap while being terrible. Thinking otherwise shows either A) you didn't play back then or B) you are a moron or C) both A and B. It doesn't take any amount of skill to obtain experience, just to obtain it quicker and faster than the average parties.

Shiyo just go to the official forums, you'll fit in there.

[Shiyo]

This is what I disagree with, bad players are going to be bad no matter how long it takes them to exp to cap, of course they will be slightly better if they have to level in onzozo, but they'll still suck. Good players will be good no matter how long it takes them to exp to cap, having never leveled in onzozo will not affect them.

That was more of a joke post than an actual serious one. I already explained like 90000 times that I agree with you...
@ person above me, you just agreed with me too, yet are telling me to go to the official forums?

I'm done replying, you people are insulting me while also agreeing with the exact same things I said, LOL? I mean I can only say the same things so many times before I get bored of it, and now I am.

Actually, I'm beginning to think people are taking parts of my posts, finding something they disagree with, and trolling/flaming me, not actually reading the entire post :/