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    This is the best thing ever as far as Gundam games go.

    And he's right; Gundam is kind of in this odd state in the West: there's a substantial amount of sales of merchandise in the US and Canada (they still have an official distributor for their models) and Unicorn is quite popular here too among the existing fanbase. The non-domestic sales of Gundam are somewhat above 30% annually, and the US and Canada comprise probably alittle above half of that alone. But Bandai Entertainment was shuttered despite being in the black by a fair amount, and there is a sort of differing attitude by the old and new guard of NBH of how to address the fans in the West (or if they even should bother, following the failure in the first half of the 2000s).

    In the short-term, the picture is kind of murky; despite the direct retailing of Unicorn we don't really know much else of the plans for Gundam here. The long-term picture is probably only something we can guess at, depending on what happens over the next two or so years (will we get a dubbed Origin, what plans are there for post-Unicorn, etc. in the West?). How well the hardcover, translated (and localized) release of The Origin manga does here could be a factor in their future actions.

    AGE being a fucking failure still failed to push NBH into the red; Unicorn fucking prints them money like nothing has done ever before (even the SEEDs can't compare, though they're right up there with 0079 and Z). Had AGE done better, who knows what the additional revenue might have meant (likely nothing, as far as we're concerned, but who knows). One of the problems that has been highlighted so far, is that we get the younger people at conventions like Otacon - and they clearly understand there's a market here that's rather woefully underaddressed, with the old guys at the top dismissing it because of past failures (no doubt partially sourced in their decisions on how to do it here).

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    In celebration of suffering beginning anew on March 29th:
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    Shinn the dog
    Rey the cloned human
    The worst.

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    That finale made me lol. Mostly the part about Fllay blowing herself up. I'd pay to see her selfish ass try to do it.

    Is that official confirmation that the SEED movie is dead? It has been rumored, but nothing solid has come out..

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    It's been rumored dead but these HD releases kind of bring renewed interest and sales to SEED, if they are high enough Bandai would be silly not to do one.

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    That's actually an interview from the fall of 2003; but it's indeed very real (which is all the more terrible). I still don't fucking know how someone who liked Turn-A that much can be so fucking awful when he gets two shots at it.

    Never, ever, ever underestimate the capacity for SEED to dick things up. No matter how terrible we think it is (or the older fans, with disposable income anyway), it is very probable that there will be a SEED movie. As Cleverness said, the HD remasters are renewing interest in the CE series; though Unicorn has surpassed the two SEEDs, 0079, and Zeta in sales (not kidding when I say Unicorn is fucking printing money) they're still in the top five of all time. The newly released SEED Gunpla (especially the Master Grades of the other Gundams) sold quite well. If they can justify a movie financially, it'll happen; if the Destiny remaster does good it probably means a resounding "yes." Contributing to this is AGE failing (quite badly on all fronts really)yet it still didn't actually hurt NBH much; Unicorn and the SEED remaster made the hits from AGE only minor by some accounts (other than the damage to reputations, etc.).

    I can definitely see conditions being right for a SEED movie in the next two years or so: Unicorn ends next spring; The Origin doesn't begin until next year; there are no OVAs or anything planned beyond Unicorn right now (though they know the fans are very interested). Then again, they may not opt for a movie (and prefer some Astray OVA or something). Truthfully, only Hathaway's Flash can realistically be done with an OVA (of likely 3-4 episodes) and not run into major story compression issues. F90 and F91 would probably each comprise around 25 episodes; Crossbone could probably push it into 80s by the time Ghost finishes.

    So, to summarize: the financial aspect is covered and the forecast on that is pretty good. The timing could be right too, given we have no announced plans beyond Unicorn and The Origin (though they are very much aware Hathaway's Flash and Crossbone are in real demand); aside from Hathaway's Flash, Crossbone and friends (F90-F91-Silhouette F91) are TV series for sure. They could opt to skip F91, but given how frustrating the "movie" we got out of the scrapped TV series was, I think the effort to properly introduce the 2nd century would go a long way in making it more popular.

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    Has there been any news regarding releasing the SEED HD collections over here in the US? I know the Destiny remaster just started, but I figured there might be something regarding the original...

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    Nope.

    The remaster collections did have English subtitles. However, they also had Japan domestic pricing across the four sets (about 120 USD?). Torrenting would be the only option, essentially, until the "fate" of Gundam in North America is decided/announced.

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    The new parts for the X-2 are: shot lancer, Berga Giros-styled V-fin, eventually waterslide X-2 (Crossbone Vanguard service) decals, and (also eventually, as the "finalized" release images) Zabine Chareux in-scale pilot figures.

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    No announcement to the contrary, so come Friday evening at 11 JST, remastered terrible should show up in the show list on the Gundam.Info YouTube page.

    We should get one episode a week, barring any disruptions.

    http://www.hlj.com/product/MDW24058 and http://www.hlj.com/product/MDW24087 are back in print for the Destiny remaster; the SEED one pretty much went out of print before the end of 2012.

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    I fucking love the Maxter's upgrade in the G Gundam manga. Revolver Punches.

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    SEED Destiny is fine until Kira shows up and steal's the show from Shinn.

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    Shinn is a pretty shitty written character tbh, but I think everyone agrees it turns to shit when Kira shows up and Durandal turns crazy.

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    I don't think writing is the strong point of anything in SEED, lol.

    As an aside, the budget for Destiny's remaster is actually bigger than the SEED remaster.. implications.

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    I liked the TV Movies of SEED Destiny more than the individual episodes. Less Shinn is always a plus, but they did rework some scenes involving Shinn to make him more likeable. Also, it is mostly told from Athrun's point of view with him voicing his thoughts during certain scenes. And it doesn't make it seem like Durandal randomly goes batshit crazy and more like he planned everything from the start.

    And yeah, it does turn to shit in the series when Kira shows up, but to me I only had a problem with it due to the main character change. They should've just picked Kira or Athrun from the start and stuck with it with Shinn being a side character or not even existing. I'm leaning towards the not existing side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edelweiss View Post
    I don't think writing is the strong point of anything in SEED, lol.
    Well when Rau can actually come off as sounding somewhat reasonable while being a complete nut, because of the shitty writing in the original SEED, I can see your point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleverness View Post
    Well when Rau can actually come off as sounding somewhat reasonable while being a complete nut, because of the shitty writing in the original SEED, I can see your point.
    It's just one of those things, you know? SEED's writing/narrative/plot was never very good; Stargazer and (I guess) the original Astrays were as close to "good" as things were likely to get (note that neither Fukuda or Morosawa were involved..). The impression one gets from reading interviews with those two is that SEED was intended to be super-fucking pandering from the get-go; like on a Twilight-level or something, with fuckloads of Gundams in use by everyone. The black-and-white of the sides is pretty simplistic - it's not inherently bad - but thanks to the derpiness of the writing it pretty much just becomes insufferable by the time the TSA shit starts and largely goes on into Destiny unabated. I don't even know if either of them even realizes how horrible it actually is, which is different from knowing but not even being bothered. I said it before, but the fact that the guy liked Turn A that much, but contributed to SEED being what it is twice over, is fucking astounding. Not even the characters were very good (nevermind the aforementioned black-and-white or good-evil); some were outright awful, though Hiraiface certainly helped towards pushing the unlikeability. Then there's the inexplicable shit like SEED mode that make no sense and are abused in the worst way.

    Azrael and Rau were trying to prevent Fukuda and Morosawa from striking again. Our heroes were demonized, I tell you.

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    Not to change the subject, but I rewatched 00 again recently to have something to compare the Destiny remaster to (as I did with SEED), and besides the terrorism episode in S1, and when CB gets forced down to Earth in S2 (prior to the coup), it really was quite good. The ending was probably the strongest since Zeta, and definitely cements 00 alongside Turn A for best AU. We sure as fuck didn't get any flawless victory, but we got some astounding display of skill from Lockon 2 and Allelujah in taking out a foe in better condition.

    The only issues with 00 were certain characters getting shorted (mainly Graham); Trailblazer could have dealt with first-contact with aliens better (but it still stuck to the overall theme of peace through understanding, to its credit).

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    I think the major issue with 00 S2 is when you compare it solely to S1, 00 was still a great anime overall but S1 was just written really well and had it been written as a 26 episode series(leaving out shit like Ribbons/etc) it would have been amazing as a standalone. S2 just left out alot of the great things from S1 or turned them into minor characters(Graham like you mentioned, he pretty much spent the whole series trying to defeat the Gundams and despite being a great pilot came off as a normal guy trying to do the impossible, in S2 he has this revenge thing but it doesn't come off the same. And it needed way more Ali in S2). 00 is actually fun to watch though, despite the Gundams immense advantage in terms of strength for the first half they are still using strategies, and the other forces don't take the CB threat lying down and still gain the upperhand a few times(like locking down Virtue and forcing the unknown armor purge). It's not like SEED where the EF are fucking useless for the entirety of both series and provide very little threat aside from trying to nuke coordinators.

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    Right.

    S1 was incredibly impressive; the tactics (sheer numbers in relentess waves, with formations designed to minimize the advantages the Gundams had) that got used against the CB Gundams were both smart and really pleasing to see. And of course the Nadleeh forced reveal is right up there. And when the GN-Xs were obtained actually felt like CB was in serious trouble (no flawless victory there by any means..). SEED only even came close with the nukespam (and that didn't last long at all); there's a real lack of intensity in those dire circumstances.

    Even with Trans-Am, usage came with a big downside when the GN particles were tapped out; if anything it made that those battles with the GN-Xs even more thrilling. It isn't like the GN-X were below the CB Gundams by any more than a small amount (lack of GN fields and stuff withstanding). I can't help but think the 00 staff was totally disgusted by SEED's combat scenes (i'm positive there was virtually no stock footage outside of afew Tieria full-burst shots) and wanted to do it right. lol

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    00 S2 even didn't feel like the same show. You went from morally grey heroes and questionable enemies to clear cut good and evil. Also, the whole Lockon's brother thing was stupid.. I'm ok with him being his brother, especially given he didn't have the same skills, but did he really have to look the same? It didn't do anything for the series >.>;

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    Could be worse, at least they had some foresight to have him show up briefly when Lockon went to visit his family's graves in S1. They didn't cop out with a clone or something either, to their credit I guess. lol

    It changing in feel was progress though. Technically speaking, at the end of S1 they did succeed in united the world under a single government; but obviously the Innovades were turning that towards their own purposes. Thus S2's events becoming necessary; had Alejandro and Ribbons not been plotting to dick things up, it might have ended with S1 and no Federation/A-Laws faggtory. Don't get me wrong, I fucking loved S1. But S2 does make sense (despite being flawed in execution), as does Trailblazer, in seeing the Plan through (although by that point, Aeolia's essentially just told them it's up to the crew now to do what they think is right).

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    Would of been even shittier if they made Lockon survive at the end of S1.

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    I like 00 a lot. Its characters are pretty interesting. Love Sumeragi. The colonel guy and Allelujah's girl were done well too. The fact that I cannot name them tells me I need to rewatch.

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