Republican Presidental Debate Iowa

[Plow]

I see it more as they don't like that he represents everything that could potentially change politics and the way corporate media machines control knowledge. I'm not a Ron Paul supporter, but as a politician he is actually the only one up there with the Repubs saying we're wasting money on the War while the rest keep shaking their heads like "LOLZ WE WAN WIN ELECTORAN".

I might understand how people can fall for Ron Paul's bullshit if it wasn't so blatantly obvious that he knows that nothing he says is ever going to actually happen, and that it gives him the ability to say whatever people want to hear because there's no accountability for shit that doesn't happen.


It's just like Bachmann, really, talking constantly about how she's leading all this shit that fails like it's a good sign of anything other than nobody actually agreeing with her batshit.

[Elvis]

Anybody whose response to "Should we provide emergency medical care for 5 year olds who have no insurance" is rambling about the horrors of cooperative action until the time limit is a piece of shit and deserves to be treated like the complete joke he is.

The question is disingenuous in the first place. I don't honestly think the guy would literally deny a 5 year old medical care in an emergency room. He didn't RAMBLE, he was answering the UNDERLYING question.

Ron Paul is regularly subjected to this rhetorical tactic, called 'point-scoring':



Ron Paul was also asked a question of a similar style some years ago, regarding blow-back:



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And DURR, big surprise, a dishonest mental midget twists his answer (which is thoughtful and sincere) as 'DO YOU BLAME AMERHICAH FOR 9/11?'

This kind of intellectually dishonesty is right up your ally.

[Plow]

I like how you talk about intellectual dishonesty while saying what you just said about a clip where he's literally given a direct opportunity and ASKED STRAIGHT OUT TO STATE that that was not what he meant... and he couldn't do it.

[Elvis]

I like how you talk about intellectual dishonesty while saying what you just said about a clip where he's literally given a direct opportunity and ASKED STRAIGHT OUT TO STATE that that was not what he meant... and he couldn't do it.

It doesn't matter that he couldn't give a straight answer. The question itself is emotional blackmail.

[Plow]

When in doubt, don't argue the argument, argue the style of argument.

This kind of intellectual dishonesty is right up your alley.

[quannum]

iowa is out of step with republican ideology.
the straw poll is just a fundraising gimmick (for ames)
there's nothing special about ron paul

[Plow]

oh, he's "special," that much is certain

[Elvis]

When in doubt, don't argue the argument, argue the style of argument.

This kind of intellectual dishonesty is right up your alley.

Chicken egg; egg chicken

This isn't interpretative dance. He was asked the question first in the sequence of events. It was a dishonest question. 'style of argument' is called rhetoric and it does matter.

[Day]

I like how you talk about intellectual dishonesty while saying what you just said about a clip where he's literally given a direct opportunity and ASKED STRAIGHT OUT TO STATE that that was not what he meant... and he couldn't do it.

It's cause he said what he meant in the first place, and had the balls to not back down. I clearly remember this whole thing, don't even need to watch the clip, all them niggas foaming at the mouth to jump all over him.

[quannum]

It was a dishonest question.

the answer to the question is yes provide emergency care to 5 yr olds. its not a trick question.

well, in reality, it's not a trick question. i understand that's not where republicans like to debate though.

[Day]

The one dude that makes some form of sense on the R ticket and his whole party can't wait to paint him as crazy.

[archibaldcrane]

Plow, are you implying the rest of the debaters shrieking about Socialism and Sharia law are more worthy of news coverage?

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[Elvis]

the answer to the question is yes provide emergency care to 5 yr olds. its not a trick question.

well, in reality, it's not a trick question. i understand that's not where republicans like to debate though.

First of all, the question is not regarding 'a 5 year old'.

It regards a FIVE YEAR OLD ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT.

Why does the question have to concern a kid? Why does it have to concern an illegal?

It's a trick question. He tried to answer the root of the problem, rather than some SUPERFICIAL made-for-TV bullshit.

His answer is within that frame of thinking, at the institutional level. It was a responsible answer.

I will certainly agree with you that denying care for a goddamn 5 year old illegal immigrant in an emergency room is ghastly.

That being said, you should put this question IN CONTEXT with the preceding commentary.

[Plow]

It's cause he said what he meant in the first place, and had the balls to not back down. I clearly remember this whole thing, don't even need to watch the clip, all them niggas foaming at the mouth to jump all over him.

"I would ask the congressman to withdraw that comment and tell us that he didn't really mean that."

"Congressman?"

"I believe very sincerely that the CIA is correct when they teach and they talk about blowback."

I wonder why the guy that was mayor of NYC during the attacks would get pissed off and say "wait, are you serious?" when someone's arguing reasons why we invited them.

[quannum]

First of all, the question is not regarding a 5 year old.

It regards a FIVE YEAR OLD ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT.

Why does the question have to concern a kid? Why does it have to concern an illegal?

It's a trick question. He tried to answer the root of the problem, rather than some SUPERFICIAL made-for-TV bullshit.

His answer is within the frame of thinking, at the institutional level.

yea .. again, the answer is yes. its not a trick question.

[Plow]

First of all, the question is not regarding a 5 year old.

It regards a FIVE YEAR OLD ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT.

Why does the question have to concern a kid? Why does it have to concern an illegal?

It's a trick question. He tried to answer the root of the problem, rather than some SUPERFICIAL made-for-TV bullshit.

His answer is within the frame of thinking, at the institutional level.

His answer is that nobody deserves help from anybody else no matter how helpless they are. That's the reality.

[oldoldman]

I like how you talk about intellectual dishonesty while saying what you just said about a clip where he's literally given a direct opportunity and ASKED STRAIGHT OUT TO STATE that that was not what he meant... and he couldn't do it.

Because debates consist of people just saying yes or no to questions. Are you serious with this shit?

[Talint]

Why does the question have to concern a kid? Why does it have to concern an illegal?

Because life is nuanced.

[Plow]

It's both sad and disgusting how many people will try to use 9/11 as an arguing point either in the way Giuliani has or the way RP did in the 08 debate.

Since there's so many people around here that were 6 at the time and don't understand the impact of both the event, and people saying things to imply we brought it on ourselves, and especially the pain New York itself went through, let me give you guys a bit of a reminder/crash course.

[Elvis]

Ron Paul did not give in to that stupid question. It was about illegal immigration and he answered it the best he could.

The same fucking style of rhetoric (again, 'point scoring') was used to nail him on the blow-back question regarding 9/11. And immediately after his answer, Rudy G. said indignantly 'I find that really remarkable'. And the moderator surmised vocally that Paul was 'blaming America for 9/11'.

It's the same emotional blackmail that ignores the serious issues. What purpose does that question have? It means nothing. We are talking about big issues that require institutional-level thinking.