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    Naw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colenzo View Post
    stop testing shit in abyssea, fuck
    first one was in Misa, next one in Aby - to compare.

    fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekradarken View Post
    20% x 0.85 = 17%. Maybe there is no alpha value in the formula that SE is using.
    Considering it changes with lvl they pretty much either have to be using something like that or rewrote how stat mods effect ws dmg just for these ws

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    In agreement with the previous PUP reports for Shijin. The damage floated around 700-800 with Berserk, Carbonora (forgot RCB), and Stalwart. VS on the other hand broke 1k easily. I did not see any decrease in TP move frequency either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dasva View Post
    Considering it changes with lvl they pretty much either have to be using something like that or rewrote how stat mods effect ws dmg just for these ws
    Or maybe they just call their variables by different names; their stat mod could be the what we call stat mod * alpha, and they call it something different before it's multiplied by the alpha variable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekradarken View Post
    20% x 0.85 = 17%. Maybe there is no alpha value in the formula that SE is using.
    This makes perfect sense. While merits will increase the stat mod in the WS equation by 20% per upgrade, once you factor in alpha it really is 17% per upgrade overall.

    1 Merit 20% x 0.85 = 17%
    2 Merits 40% x 0.85 = 34%
    3 Merits 60% x 0.85 = 51%
    4 Merits 80% x 0.85 = 68%
    5 Merits 100% x0.85 = 85%

    It's their way of representing the total increase including the alpha value and this pretty much would point to the 0.85 alpha that we had all assumed in the beginning.

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    From Gobli
    Tachi: Shoha
    TP100 1.375 (44/32)
    TP200 2.15625 or 2.1875 (69/32 or 70/32)
    TP300 2.65625 or 2.6875 (85/32 or 86/32)
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    If it has same ignore defense/pDIF boost like YGK, this really destroy fudo. We know for certain Keitonotachi is really the winner for this.

    (I think they should expand the denominator to 64 to get more accurate result for TP200 and TP300 point)

    and if fTP carries on subsequent hit...
    ADD: With elemental gorget and belt tucked in and assuming there's no pDIF boost, 2 hits land, and subsequent hit fTP is 1.00, damage should be about 54% higher than fudo.

    On another note, they reported Stardiver and Entropy have 24/32(0.75), 27/32(0.84375), and 30/32(0.9375) as initial hit fTP.

    None of the WS mod has other pattern than stats20%~100%, it's really weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VZX01 View Post
    and if fTP carries on subsequent hit...
    ADD: With elemental gorget and belt tucked in and assuming there's no pDIF boost, 2 hits land, and subsequent hit fTP is 1.00, damage should be about 54% higher than fudo.
    Well if it's really that far ahead of Fudo, is there a Magian G.Katana that would be best for this new WS? OAT, TP Bonus?

    Or still best to use Masamune/Fudo once for Aftermath and then Shoha?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soho View Post
    Well if it's really that far ahead of Fudo, is there a Magian G.Katana that would be best for this new WS? OAT, TP Bonus?

    Or still best to use Masamune/Fudo once for Aftermath and then Shoha?
    I think people were thinking the Mythic GKT would be best with tier III aftermath used than Shoha spam until you need to reset aftermath, but as for Magian weapons, can the OAT weapons proc on WS? if so than wouldn't either the OAT or OA 2-4 weapons be the best assuming the damage on the weapon doesn't lower the WS damage too much, can someone test it with a Soboro and see if the numbers are reasonable?

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    I just played around with Shoha vs Kaiten on test server. Amano is only lvl 90 there, I was SAM99/DNC49 and took off any Double attack gear. 182 total STR, fought Greater Manticores in Terrigan. Averages based on 10 weaponskills:

    Kaiten - 2165
    Shoha @ 100-114% TP - 1934
    Shoha @ 300% TP - 3027
    (Only used WS's where both hits landed)
    Also, 5/5 Merits into Shoha*

    Also, Hobaku > Shoha = Compression and Jinpu > Shoha = Gravitation, so it appears it's Fragmentation/Compression

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soho View Post
    Well if it's really that far ahead of Fudo, is there a Magian G.Katana that would be best for this new WS? OAT, TP Bonus?

    Or still best to use Masamune/Fudo once for Aftermath and then Shoha?

    TP bonus would be a really good option.

    Masamune has +15-20 str what will make it very nice for Shoha as well.

    My guess is Emp/Relic/Mythic all get WS boost at 99 to pull them back in line with the new MeritWS.

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    OK, just crunching the data from studio gobli:
    They have WSC = 79 when gathering this data

    I'm trying to guess exact fTP at 200 and 300 is 2.15 and 2.65 respectively, but some data is contradicting with the lowest crit damage


    TP200
    D21+10 710 726 727 737 743*
    D66+15 1013 1037 1042 1054 1060 1073 1081 1083*

    236*3.15 = 743, at pDIF = 3.0, the damage would be 708 <still within range>
    344*3.15 = 1083, at pDIF = 3.0, the damage would be 1032 <contradicted with data>

    236/(21+10+79) = 2.145 ???
    344/(66+15+79) = 2.15 exactly


    TP300
    D66+15 1247 1248 1310 1316 1328 1334*
    424*3.15 = 1335, at 3.0 pDIF, at pDIF = 3.0, the damage would be 1272,
    (66+15+79)*2.65 = 424


    This confuses me.. did I miss something other than crit damage for 2h also ranged from 3.00 to 3.15 due to another randomizer factor ranging 1.00~1.05?
    If it is, then why the data from TP300 and the 2nd data on TP200 gives wider spread than 1.00~1.05?

    If what I understood is wrong, then finding the fTP via max crit damage like I've shown above should be correct. And therefore we can conclude :
    Tachi: Shoha
    TP100 1.375
    TP200 2.15
    TP300 2.65

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toth View Post
    In agreement with the previous PUP reports for Shijin. The damage floated around 700-800 with Berserk, Carbonora (forgot RCB), and Stalwart. VS on the other hand broke 1k easily. I did not see any decrease in TP move frequency either.
    How does stringing pummel compare?

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    can we get some lvl 1 testing on axe WS. I would like to know the ftp value incase it's different than 1.

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    Can get a test on Shijin's plague effect? Mnk/bst, no weapon (to minimize damage), use weaponskill on something charmable (after hitting it for a while), then hit /echo <pettp> every 3 seconds to see the rate that TP drops?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taint View Post
    My guess is Emp/Relic/Mythic all get WS boost at 99 to pull them back in line with the new MeritWS.
    Whatever "afterglow" is, I'm pretty sure it will be enough to put those WS back on top.

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    *toss Masamune*

    Keitonotachi, 57% increase in weaponskill damage if those numbers are accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fantasticdan View Post
    How does stringing pummel compare?
    The only pummels I was able to get off where dismal (600-750) but he of course had absorbed all my stats each freakin' time and fool's wore. I also had +49 dex gear on, 90 verethragna, no automaton out so I am sure the numbers are not completely indicative.

    Is there any other way to test on Kaggan without relying on fool's for 30 seconds lol

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    I don't want Ragnarok to be the best DRK weapon...Apocalypse and Caladbolg are so much prettier-looking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toth View Post
    The only pummels I was able to get off where dismal (600-750) but he of course had absorbed all my stats each freakin' time and fool's wore. I also had +49 dex gear on, 90 verethragna, no automaton out so I am sure the numbers are not completely indicative.
    So do you think pummel would be better than spiral in a normal situation with proper gear?


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