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    I really don't think Nash is overrated since really, no one really talks about him anymore. You never hear him talked about as one of the top 10 players or anything. He is one of the top 10 power forwards though.

    Fuck, id take him in a heart beat if he would be moved. Penner and Bernier for Nash. Straight up!

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    People talk about CBJ and Nash as though he's not part of it.Points or no points he is directly involved in their failures. Their problems go beyond the goaltending though its a huge issue, but as the captain and leader he's responsible for leading by example, esp when the team is faltering. Instead he floats around, plays shit for defense, and yet people act like he's some poor soul stuck on a horrible team. The team being horrible is partly his fault as well.
    And he's one man. Nash isn't to blame for Steve Mason's 2-11 record with a 3.99 GAA and a .866 Save Percentage. Nash isn't to blame for Derick Brassard, Antoine Vermette, and RJ Umberger completely disappearing from the score sheets. Nash isn't to blame for a blue line that only has ONE player that isn't a minus for the season(good job Aaron Johnson!) Nash isn't to blame for James Wisniewski taking an 8(?) game suspension robbing him of much needed time to familiarize himself with his teammates. Do I even need to comment on Carter being injured?

    Nash is a shit defensive player. He's not captain material. He's the Blue Jackets version of Ovechkin. Give him the C based on talent not merit. He takes shifts off. He cherrypicks. But he is also one of only two Blue Jackets players with over ten points, the other being Vinny Prospal. He still produces. Yes he is partially to blame for the Jackets woes, but he is not some mystical boogeyman that is cursing the team.

    Trading Rick Nash is not the answer. That is the pull the plug we're moving out of Columbus answer. Which we may end up seeing.

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    Nash is a shit defensive player. He's not captain material. He's the Blue Jackets version of Ovechkin. Give him the C based on talent not merit. He takes shifts off. He cherrypicks. But he is also one of only two Blue Jackets players with over ten points, the other being Vinny Prospal. He still produces. Yes he is partially to blame for the Jackets woes, but he is not some mystical boogeyman that is cursing the team.

    Trading Rick Nash is not the answer. That is the pull the plug we're moving out of Columbus answer. Which we may end up seeing.
    The first paragraph I omitted I agree with, but Nash actually isn't a bad defensive player. He is when he's mailing it in, but when Hitchcock was molding him Nash was effective on the PK and was largely responsible in his own end when it was called for. Unfortunately Arniel seems to have the mentality that the top two lines are PP only and bottom two are PK only, and it seems to have come across to some guys that defensive play is unimportant. The players really seem to be regressing under his watch.

    I do think that Nash is unqualified to be the captain as well, but at least for the immediate time being I don't see anyone better suited to the role on the current roster.

    Trading Rick Nash also isn't the end for Columbus. This is something that people seem to say while forgetting that we're already hemorrhaging fans and losing while he's here. With him gone... that still happens, but it can be considered the beginning of a new chapter for the team. This is especially true if he actually gets traded for useful stuff. Trading him isn't just Rick Nash out, it's also other pieces in.

    Jack Johnson, Bernier, and Stoll for Rick Nash and a prospect/not-first pick is something that I've seen not met with immediate hatred by both sides.

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    Call me crazy, but I might actually do that. Quick is most likely going to be our number 1 for awhile and we have Martin in the minors that should be a good back up goalie. Voynov has looked good and can replace Johnson. I like Johnson but he makes a lot of stupid mistakes at times. Stoll will be gone end of the year anyways and Lokitinov is ready to move up very soon.

    If the Kings can dump Penner to clear space, team would still look very good. Ideally if we could sub in Penner instead of Stoll, id do that trade.

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    Columbus hand wringing aside is the NHL standings glitchy for anyone else here? It's got some weird logo in third place I don't recognize.


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    I think the only way Nash moves is if Columbus is able to get immediate proven relief in net. While Bernier seems like he's going to be around for a while he could also go the route of Mason and never evolve. Bernier has also never played more than 25 games. If I were the Jackets GM and I was going to take a chance on an unproven goalie I would be going for Jhonas Enroth out of Buffalo or possibly Anders Lindback from Nashville(with the Preds re-signing Rinne it's now apparent that Lindback will be on the move sooner or later) or Henrik Karlsson out of Calgary. None of them would cost the Jackets Nash and in all likelihood it would be an immediate upgrade in net. Josh Harding would also be a tempting option.

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    The appeal of the LA trade is that it bolsters the defense as well as the goaltending, hypothetically. Fix those and the offense should straighten itself out somewhat. If we trade for just a goaltender though, I'd like to go for a veteran starter rather than a kid though. The stability is sorely needed. Further, Mason might recover a little bit if he could finally get his head out of the water from the pressure no longer being all on him. Getting Backstrom from Minny if they feel Harding might be the real deal or even Nabokov if he could be cheap would be grand. Russel for Nabokov would've been great, but alas.

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    People still think Nash is overrated? Did they not watch the 2010 Olympics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluefan View Post
    People still think Nash is overrated? Did they not watch the 2010 Olympics?
    Ya because what a player does with an all-star cast in the biggest stage of sports sure matters when compared to what he does through an 82 game grind. C'mon. Brendan Morrow was absolute shit in 2009-2010, didn't stop him from lighting up for Team Canada.

    Yes he is partially to blame for the Jackets woes, but he is not some mystical boogeyman that is cursing the team.
    I agree with everything you said. I never once said "Nash is the sole reason the Jackets suck." I was simply responding that his leadership was overrated and that he isn't some "poor soul stuck on a horrible team" like the media and mouthbreathers like to say he is. Then the peanut gallery who probably watches one Jackets game a year decided to chime in like I was speaking blasphemy.

    The guy's a good player, good goal scorer. But he's not a good captain and isn't some martyr just because he can put the goal in the net. And he certainly is NOT playing like an 8milx8year player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoronas View Post
    Columbus hand wringing aside is the NHL standings glitchy for anyone else here? It's got some weird logo in third place I don't recognize.

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    I'm... I'm getting flashbacks of 1996, and a good, albeit racist, goalie

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    ROFL Avery on the breakaway! Think MSG just exploded.

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    The Penguins are absolutely manhandling the Stars even though it's currently scoreless. *Jinx* I knew we wouldn't be able to stay at such a high level but we look like a totally different team from the one who outplayed the Caps.

    Edit: And right as I type this, we have our first sustained pressure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valisk View Post
    The Penguins are absolutely manhandling the Stars even though it's currently scoreless. *Jinx* I knew we wouldn't be able to stay at such a high level but we look like a totally different team from the one who outplayed the Caps.

    Edit: And right as I type this, we have our first sustained pressure.
    Shots aren't really indicative of the play. Stars have had some decent zone time just no SoGs with it.

    Then again I couldn't tell you what's happening b/c I'm stuck with the Pens feed and they've been talking to some soldiers on Skype for the past 5 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palin View Post
    Ya because what a player does with an all-star cast in the biggest stage of sports sure matters when compared to what he does through an 82 game grind. C'mon. Brendan Morrow was absolute shit in 2009-2010, didn't stop him from lighting up for Team Canada.
    My point was that he has the grit, albeit with an all star cast, to get things done. My opinion is still of one that he needs the right coach and line mates. He's no Crosby, and maybe not an elite player who'll make the HoF, but he's got enough talent there to be a game changer.

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    Nystrom!!!! Has half his goals from last year in 5 games this year rofl.

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    Holy shit what a pass by Dvorak. Nystrom is on fucking fire.

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    The guy's a good player, good goal scorer. But he's not a good captain and isn't some martyr just because he can put the goal in the net. And he certainly is NOT playing like an 8milx8year player.
    Totally agree on all of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palin View Post
    Shots aren't really indicative of the play. Stars have had some decent zone time just no SoGs with it.

    Then again I couldn't tell you what's happening b/c I'm stuck with the Pens feed and they've been talking to some soldiers on Skype for the past 5 minutes.
    I wasn't basing it just on shots. Time of puck possession and number of opportunities as well. Stars kept turning it over and were losing almost every board battle. The only thing the Pens didn't do was score which I suppose is all that matters... For now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valisk View Post
    I wasn't basing it just on shots. Time of puck possession and number of opportunities as well. Stars kept turning it over and were losing almost every board battle. The only thing the Pens didn't do was score which I suppose is all that matters... For now.
    Ya I'd agree with all that. Pens were the better team in the 1st. Gotta kill this PP and get some more possession time. The Morrow line really needs to step up this game, Byslma has the Staal line all over Benn's unit and is giving them no space.

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