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    What would I have to do to try and figure out Flaming Crush base critical hit rate, if possible?

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    All my tables seem to have broken in this thread, but I had about a 20% crit rate for the first swing of BPs against Level 0 mobs (18% for Flaming Crush alone). That is what you'd expect for normal crit rate calculations.

    If you want more accuracy, do Flaming Crush over and over against level -1 bunnies. Avatars have (8%?) Crit Attack Bonus, so Crit BPs do more damage than non-crit BPs even at capped pDIF. Lock your gear, of course.

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    I wasn't aware that testing had already been done. If it follows normal critical hit rate calculations that's probably why I notice more crits under Astral Flow vs iLvl mobs than I do without it. Suppose it would be worth testing to see if Seraphicaller adds crit rate at all, if that hasn't been done.

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    Sucellos's Cape's enhancing magic duration increase is applied in the same term as standard enhancing duration, unlike the enhancing magic duration augment on Ghostfyre Cape.

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    Not really sure if this is the right thread for this, but...

    A bit on the Caturae WS, Interference. I did some testing on it using Sippoy.

    This isn't a completed conclusion, but rather a collection of notes on this WS's odd properties.

    -Resist-able. Would indicate Magic or Breath dmg.
    -MDT/Aegis has no effect. Would tend to imply Breath dmg. Should Try DT.
    -MDB+/MAB- Does work. Breath dmg atk don't typically use the MAB/MDB term... Maybe it works like quick draw?
    -Tried all 8 elements and Vallation/Valiance didn't work on any of them.
    -Only managed to Liement with lux so far. Did not absorb. No idea what element this is.

    EDIT:A few additional facts.

    -BDT- gear does Not work.
    -DT- gear Does work.
    -Has a dINT modifier. Increasing INT player reduces damage.

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    So tried some testing today with the interference on Gin and it's pretty weird. Testing consists of 2 nearly identical automatons. The only differences being 1 had higher acc on the augmented gear gear and the other swapped out midnights for maneuvers so gained more +2 more of a relevant stat from per maneuver. Given I was using 2 fire and light this means str and chr. Sample was 4 interferences where the only difference between them was in 1 I had more pdt. No change was severed from that

    Observed that regardless of which auto had hate the dmg stayed the same suggesting this move is not subject to the non main target dmg reduction for AoE moves

    Anyways the higher chr/str took 523 dmg in each of them while the higher acc auto took 667 in 3 and 333 once. Given it being half with rounding most likely just dealt half dmg like a resist. Also given autos noted poor meva it makes sense would only get 1. Given this it all gears, merits, jps, food, buffs, maneuvers, attachments were the same and only observable consistent differences were acc, chr and str it seems most likely that chr and/or str also effects dmg. Given int was already established it may be some really weird full stat comparison. However to make sure I intend to hold of the h2h swap next time

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    If more than 1 stat is used for comparison on the mob side, then Impact could be crippling for Interference dmg...

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    Could be, but I'm almost entirely certain that I've seen people get hit for like 2k damage without Impact on.

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    There's also the extra weird possibility that it's not a comparison but is only checking the targets.

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    Actually, I think that's possible.


    [Fu] 2059 Interference ¨ Diaboli
    AOE 238 ¨ Hammel
    AOE 736 ¨ Byrth
    Diaboli was defeated by Fu.
    [Fu] Interference ¨ Fu
    [Reddwarf] Magic Finale ¨ Fu
    [3] [Byrth] 789 hit ¨ Fu
    [2] [Byrth] 1016 critical hit ¨ Fu
    [Hammel] missed ¨ Fu
    Reddwarf Magic Finale ¨ Fu (No effect)
    [Byrth] 634 critical hit ¨ Fu
    [Byrth] missed ¨ Fu
    [2] [Byrth] 410 hit ¨ Fu
    ----- DT mode is true -----
    AOE 1545 ¨ Byrth
    AOE 1092 ¨ Hammel
    [Fu] 984 Interference ¨ Hammel
    AOE 82 ¨ Sjugy
    AOE 210 ¨ Kyera
    AOE 1141 ¨ Diaboli
    AOE 55 ¨ Luopan
    AOE 919 ¨ Byrth
    [Fu] 1657 Interference ¨ Diaboli
    AOE 182 ¨ Kyera
    AOE 673 ¨ Hammel
    AOE 400 ¨ Sjugy
    AOE 55 ¨ Luopan
    AOE 1524 ¨ Byrth
    [Fu] 1657 Interference ¨ Diaboli
    AOE 75 ¨ Luopan
    AOE 57 ¨ Luopan
    AOE 894 ¨ Byrth
    [Fu] 336 Interference ¨ Kyera
    AOE 0 ¨ {2} Sjugy and Luopan
    AOE 667 ¨ Hammel
    AOE 1129 ¨ Diaboli
    AOE 72 ¨ Luopan
    AOE 1277 ¨ Byrth
    [Fu] 277 Interference ¨ Sjugy
    AOE 72 ¨ Luopan
    AOE 570 ¨ Diaboli
    AOE 0 ¨ {2} Luopan and Byrth
    AOE 208 ¨ Kyera
    Me on PLD, macroing in Aegis:
    [Kin] 2079 Interference ¨ Qultada
    AOE 126 ¨ Hammel
    AOE 969 ¨ Diaboli
    AOE 0 ¨ Byrth
    AOE 72 ¨ Luopan
    AOE 139 ¨ Sjugy
    [Kin] 1410 Interference ¨ Diaboli
    AOE 1135 ¨ Hammel
    AOE 136 ¨ Byrth
    AOE 73 ¨ Luopan
    AOE 289 ¨ Sjugy
    [Kin] 1081 Interference ¨ Sjugy
    AOE 567 ¨ Hammel
    AOE 73 ¨ Luopan
    AOE 990 ¨ Diaboli
    AOE 171 ¨ Byrth
    [Kin] 1166 Interference ¨ Diaboli
    AOE 3 ¨ Byrth
    AOE 684 ¨ Hammel
    AOE 738 ¨ Sjugy
    [Kin] 1984 Interference ¨ Hammel
    AOE 1180 ¨ Diaboli
    AOE 0 ¨ Byrth
    AOE 714 ¨ Sjugy
    [Kin] 1636 Interference ¨ Diaboli
    AOE 345 ¨ Sjugy
    AOE 75 ¨ Luopan
    AOE 0 ¨ Byrth
    How did we decide it wasn't just MDT again?

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    Martel above says mdt/aegis had no effect... but also testing on abyssea nm so maybe that has something to do with it

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    I've also observed damage against Schah and his adds. If that shit is hitting me 1200 through Aegis/ShellraV, then base dmg would have to have been... *snort*, over 9,000. specifically 9.6k.

    Barring the possibility that they specifically adjusted the dmg type for Omen mobs, which I find unlikely... it's not Magic dmg. But admittedly, I have not done a controlled test on any Omen NMs. Just Schah and Sippoy.

    Also, I never actually tried lowering mob stats as opposed to raising mine. My initial tests were on GEO, and there's not a GEO-Int dawn didn't think about impact at the time. I forget if I tested any other stat+ aside from int. Was kinda a 'hey int helps, that must be the dSTAT!' moment.

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    I mean, I don't see any other possible reasoning for the damage to have dropped so drastically and reliably on Byrthnoth when he swapped Aegis in.

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    No other differences between samples? No job was stated for the first part. Was he also on PLD then? No changes in buffs?

    EDIT: Either, the properties of the ws are varying between different mobs. WTF, SE?. Or he's resisting the shit outta that on PLD.

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    It's possible that it was Stoneskin from Afflatus Solace, but down to near-0? >.>

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    Are the forums freaking out? thing ate my post...

    Abbreviated version. While cure received(souveran+1 Cpath) boosted curskin can get pretty potent(mine would be 616 cureskin from cureV) that alone wouldn't be able to 0 those interferences from the first sample.

    Avg there was 985. Something else going on.

    Was sample 1 also gathered on PLD? Is there a DT gear difference between the 2 samples?

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    Numbers are all over the place. Stop getting cure skin and eat full dmg like a man!!! For science

    That said between the dispel effect and mdb down from claw can definitely see why dmg would be a bit all over the place

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    Dispel might not mean much in this case. Going by testing on Sippoy, shell means nada, and I've yet to find a barspell that actually reduces it. So unless Magus/runeist's roll was involved I don't think any dispellable player buffs would change anything. Again, barring the ws mechanics differing in Omen.

    The MDB- is a good point though. That is a factor.

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    Well I meant specifically for Byrth's and possibility that it just works different for modern era versions or at least omen. Sippoy almost feels like an outlier but on the other hand can only go into omen once a day. Also there are base stat buffs based on my auto testing. Combined with phalanx cure skins and whatever it's kind of messy to really draw definitive conclusions

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    Sounds like I need to try to squeeze a Kin run in. And see if I can convince ppl to let me waste some time doing controlled testing.

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