Random Fail XIII: I FOR FUCKING LAST TIME TALLING YOU

[Churchill]

Or any other event similar to Legion at its time in the history of the game. If this was 2009/earlier, you wouldn't even see a THF in the party until it was at 5% and one of the SAM's or the last BRD to ES+Troub an Elegy was on their way back after changing jobs.

Jobs entire premise is to make things drop that otherwise wouldn't (maybe), not lie around dead.

[bechyni]

Hay THF, you're only here for TH, Don't contribute to anything else, hit it and AFK inbetween SATA's.

i*Ahem*

Sarcasm aside, While the THF Damage is not mandatory to win in most cases (minus Neo-Nyzul if you bring one), Contributing to killing the enemy quicker, which means getting to the next event quicker, or moving on with your lives quicker, Is probably smarter than being a tool and having a token THF show up and be a useless tumor on your linkshells shoulder. THF Damage, While significantly below a real good DD, Is still enough to contribute to speeding up a fight, Which is more than enough reason to bother properly gearing it. Especially in events like Dynamis, Limbus, or say, anywhere where you'd invite a THF, and time is of the essence.

Its not that I don't get what you're saying, But what you're saying is right and wrong. THF Dmg will almost never be a matter of Win or Lose, But it is enough to contribute, and a good THF > Token TH Whore any day of the weak in timed events.

Though seriously, I'll show up in 3 pieces of gear and play Theatrhythm in between tagging enemies with TH, and I'll happily take the rewards if you feel that constitutes as doing my job.

The first post was more sarcasm than anything.

THF is rarely brought to any event with the mindset that they will be anything other than procing TH on a mob. Yes while they do contribute in older events (due mainly to the level increase), you don't want to waste a spot (or time) to actually give them proper buffs in events today. Like Dioma said, you wouldn't waste time giving them song because they wouldn't really live long enough without PD to do sufficient damage. On Odin v2 literally the THFs job is run in for SA/TA and to put up feint.

[Karbuncle]

Not saying give them buffs or songs, But even if they contribute 1,000 Damage before they die horribly, Its still more than they would without.

Also, I forgot legion existed, Any other examples at hand other then the worst event in FFXI history?

[Septimus]

The first post was more sarcasm than anything.

THF is rarely brought to any event with the mindset that they will be anything other than procing TH on a mob. Yes while they do contribute in older events (due mainly to the level increase), you don't want to waste a spot (or time) to actually give them proper buffs in events today. Like Dioma said, you wouldn't waste time giving them song because they wouldn't really live long enough without PD to do sufficient damage. On Odin v2 literally the THFs job is run in for SA/TA and to put up feint.

Considering the steamy hot instant death that any mob can shit out every 5 seconds these days, what jobs can live long enough without PD to do sufficient damage?

[bechyni]

Not saying give them buffs or songs, But even if they contribute 1,000 Damage before they die horribly, Its still more than they would without.

Also, I forgot legion existed, Any other examples at hand other then the worst event in FFXI history?

Nyzul I can see them being ok, just have never brought one. Although in shitty situations where you have 1~min to kill floor 100 boss their two hour wouldn't really be beneficial, neither would their damage. Dynamis, if not soloing with BST, I could see them doing fine. However on ADL again their damage wouldn't be that beneficial. Again Odin v2 their only just is to just run in for SA/TA and feint lol.

Not saying what damage they do doesn't contribute to the fight, I just don't really see the point to gear the job fully with ws,evasion, gear after procing TH etc etc. However I do have more than just +2hands/feet and Thief's knife lol

Considering the steamy hot instant death that any mob can shit out every 5 seconds these days, what jobs can live long enough without PD to do sufficient damage?

War/Drk/Sam/Drg with full PDT gear on can usually last a while before getting blown away by mobs (in Legion anyway)

[Karbuncle]

So, Did i do something stupid with my computer, Or are the Green texts leading to BG.Wiki a new feature?

Not saying what damage they do doesn't contribute to the fight, I just don't really see the point to gear the job fully with ws,evasion, gear after procing TH etc etc. However I do have more than just +2hands/feet and Thief's knife lol

Ah, This i understand. Its hard to understand why people do what, Like full gearing PUP or RDM or SMN when they have such limited uses, I see where you're coming from.

[Yugl]

New feature we're testing.

[Taube]

Ah, This i understand. Its hard to understand why people do what, Like full gearing PUP or RDM or SMN when they have such limited uses, I see where you're coming from.

OCD. What else?
(My poison as well)

[JetEnduro]

Spoiler: show

Economy police!
Making money is so hahd;;

Coulda tried trollin but was about to enter PW fight

Should bitch at the seller, not the buyers.

Edit: Forgot to add, this was all because I bought a windbuffet for 1.8M when last few sales (earlier this month) were for 1.3M w/ the exception of someone last week for 2M.

[Virg]

"Well as soon as I´m done with you, they´re next." Cracked me the fuck up.

[Squah]

He's not the brightest tool in the shed, if you know what I mean.


Edit because I remembered why I know the above about him: Did mobline comedy on DRK with him, and I had last orb which also happened to be the only Hagneia Stone drop. He got all butthurt because I "didn't need it" and all relic holders "have too much money anyway".

[Kensagaku]

This was gonna be dorp thread just because it was fun to do old SCNMs solo (except for the boss, which I duo'd with an lsmate; I soloed all eight NMs on either RDM/NIN or BST/DNC), but then we won and I saw my drop pool, which immediately moved this shot to random fail.

Was hoping for the helm or Stone Mufflers, but...

Spoiler: show

And yes, part of my fail was my death. xD Ran in to get a quick shot in and got nailed by his special move that does like 900 damage still and petrifies. Yay for Reraise.

[Landsoul]

Its hard to understand why people do what, Like full gearing PUP or RDM or SMN when they have such limited uses

Their "$12.99" a month.

[Leashedragon]

So wait, it's a bad thing that they're full gearing a job... even if it has limited uses? As long as their other jobs that they actually do events on are geared, why is this an issue.

I'll take that over people who have one gear set and one gear set only, on their jobs they actually come to events on regularly, with their "$12.99 a month" anyday.

Hell, I care about my jobs. I'll be gearing SMN up as best as it can be after DRG. Just.. have a lot of catching up to do.

[Mairja]

Have to say I agree somewhat to the above - I've fully geared my abyssea leeched smn which I pretty much only use for ADL and the occasional AV simply because I don't like being gimp and I actually like the job (never thought I would).

If people want to pimp out one of their "odd" - as in not so useful - jobs because they enjoy it, I don't have a problem with that whatsoever. Just as long as their useful jobs are properly geared too, and they don't insist on coming on their pup or whatever for events where it's useless.

[Septimus]

Have to say I agree somewhat to the above - I've fully geared my abyssea leeched smn which I pretty much only use for ADL and the occasional AV simply because I don't like being gimp and I actually like the job (never thought I would).

If people want to pimp out one of their "odd" - as in not so useful - jobs because they enjoy it, I don't have a problem with that whatsoever. Just as long as their useful jobs are properly geared too, and they don't insist on coming on their pup or whatever for events where it's useless.

But you aren't allowed to enjoy your jobs. You must play them because they are currently popular. Where do people get this silly notion that you are supposed to have fun when you are playing a video game?

[Karbuncle]

For the record, In case my original statement is whats causing this, I Wasn't saying you're not allowed to pimp out jobs, I was saying I understand that some people, guy i quoted, are thusly confused by the idea of people pimping out jobs considered "Useless".

Me having THF and PUP, RDM, and SMN 99 and fully/Close to Such geared, i know exactly how enjoying jobs work. F**k i'm 5/5 Shattersoul because i like it (And i was busting Shattersouls on Dynamis Lord! Its true! Ask Tam! I noob'd it up hardcore)

I melee on RDM when i have the chance and bust out my Mandau!

I KNOWS FUN

[Kensagaku]

xD I'm the same way; I like to gear jobs because I enjoy playing them. Even if it's little things that they're used for, even solo, I often work hard to make my sets more than passable where I can. Yes I have a few "useful" jobs, but I often prefer the unusual ones more than anything else. My leveling and full gearing of SMN, PUP, and DNC shows that, though for "useful" jobs I like my BLU (not as a procwhore though, so should that be an "unusual"?), my DRG, I'm pretty fond of my SAM and SCH, as well as my COR.

The reason I level and fully gear jobs that see little to no use? It's fun. I'm not a gimp full perle BST just because it's passable in dynamis when your pet does the work; I have Phorcys Gear, AF3+2, a full Reward set, a full Pet set, WS set, etc. I like to excel when I do things, if possible. My SMN? I don't even do ADL since I left my last shell due to work eating up my event hours, but it's still geared. It's fun to solo Ironclads for their +2 drops, though admittedly I'm almost capped on those. I also jump on the occasional AV once in a while. I like to melee RDM; did RDM/NIN to clear three of the boxes in Beadeaux (S) that were giving me a hard time on BST. But at the same time my RDM also has pure magic sets and leaves behind the melee sets when I'm actually doing support; cure sets, enfeebling sets, elemental and enhancing.

Long story short: Yeah, they're not always "useful" jobs, but they're fun. That's the point of this game, after all. I'd like to see SE design more content that involves the "loljobs", not in the same way as Voidwatch did with procs that you STILL don't bring people for, but more so in a way that makes them shine. Problem is that it's hard to design those niches that solid DDs/support can't fill short of a 2-hr like Astral Flow (PD) and Embrava.

[Kalmado]

I find it funny Thf is still considered a loljob. I just play casually and concede I do zero voidwatch, but I think I've been on thief for the last 3 weeks straight, except for seal farming as nin/thf, which I changed back to thf for. th+5>1 proc imho. It does everything I need for the reasons I play this game. Granted I have a mule with Bst, Whm, and Blm I can use for other things. I spend most of my time doing dynamis, sky, sea, limbus. I find Thf to be the best option to use.

[NynJa]

I dont think gearing up inferior jobs is a problem...so long as the real jobs are geared too.

Good: "I enjoy playing WAR PUP, both jobs are pimped out"
Bad: "I enjoy playing PUP SMN DNC, my LS never lets me use them even though they're very well geared, they always drag me out on WAR, but I dont bother gearing it, its so boring".